Joel Madden and BurnLounge

As I was reading Joel Maddens blog (I know, I know) I stumbled upon BurnLounge, which seems to be some pay-to-download competitor to the iTunes Music Store. Joel is pumping it pretty big, saying,

“check out my new online music store. register to get music, or open your own store.”

And,

“i’ve been working hard on my music store, its awesome. its so rad to find something you love like music and be able to do it more than just a hobby. all you kids with a pc should check it out. downloading music was never this much fun.”

Note the, “all you kids with a pc” part. None of the music purchased through BurnLounge can be played on an iPod. According to the FAQ:

“Before transferring your BurnLounge music to your portable audio device, make sure that your device is approved for Windows media.”

But according to this 2004 Blender article (it’s old, I know!) Joel actually has an iPod, so poor Joel can’t even listen to anything from his own store. And his girlfriend, Hilary Duff, can’t either, since she has an iPod, too.

So is this some sly marketing or has Joel really given up the iPod? And how “fun” can this downloading be if (according to the FAQ) you’re not even allowed to put the song file on another computer? We need answers!

Written by Seth Werkheiser

> Gossip, Music | 3:19 pm

225 Responses to “Joel Madden and BurnLounge”

On 01/26/06 3:41 PM, Wesley Johnson said:

i love to click on the links. THEY ARE SO RAD AND FUN!
On 01/26/06 3:55 PM, Seth Werkheiser said:

FOR REALZ! ClIcKiNG linx was never so much fun!!!
On 01/26/06 5:42 PM, The 1/3 said:

[insert useless opinion here]
On 01/26/06 6:54 PM, Sean Cannon said:

yOu aLL SuX!!!!!11!11!!!! gOoD ShaRLottE RuLz!!!1!!!11one!!!!!!!111!!!!!!
On 01/26/06 7:10 PM, Seth Werkheiser said:

See what I mean here on Buzzgrinder? I pour a good 15 minutes into this post and it gets 4 comments. I post an album cover and it gets like 50. hahah
On 01/26/06 7:57 PM, Sean Cannon said:

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On 01/26/06 8:19 PM, Seth Werkheiser said:

Good Charolette RULEZ!!!
On 01/26/06 11:57 PM, Thad said:

My friend saw a chic getting the Good Charlotte logo on her arm, I about died laughing after hearing that, but not because I laughed so much, but because as he told me this I was being stabbed with a rusty screwdriver by an angry homeless man.
On 01/27/06 12:15 AM, buddy said:

wierd i got a tattoo of a homeless man stabbinh someone with a rusty screwdriver.
On 01/27/06 9:05 AM, Seth Werkheiser said:

I got a tattoo of someone gettting a tattoo of a homeless man stabing someone with a rusty screwdriver. Weirdness.
On 01/27/06 10:53 AM, FilteringCraig said:

I didn’t get a tattoo at all.

But seriously, this is interesting because I want to know what the angle is for Burnlounge. there has to be an angle. I just can’t figure it out yet.
On 01/27/06 11:31 AM, alan said:

I have a heart-oh-gram the size of a dinner plate on my chest.
On 01/27/06 12:35 PM, Dan Diemer said:

i’m confused….up till this point he’s just been doing music as a hobby?

i wish my hobbies paid that well.
On 01/27/06 2:21 PM, Jay said:

Madden ‘06!
On 01/28/06 3:39 AM, joshUA said:

this one time i didnt get a tattoo of duff on my chest cos madden offered to pulverize me but im actually making this all up cos who ever heard of sharlotte beatn up a kid who has chuck taylors on with a johnny cupcake shirt and is full of tax exempt moolah
the end
On 02/6/06 4:53 PM, Wills said:

This is a great MLM offer because it is so new. There are only 15,000 registered users in the Burnlounge teams, and about one third of them are in Columbia, SC.

I work for a Law Firm in Columbia, and I joined a burnlounge team because it is made up of some of the most reputable and successful people in this city. If you’re not familiar with Columbia, trust me it is quaint so professional people all know eachother.

If anyone is interested in joining our team and expanding to other markets, we would be more than happy to instruct you on how to go about doing it. Trust me there is a lot of revenue potential out there. I have signed up four friends, and my team has grown to 128 people…do the math.

Visit my team at burnlounge.com/ryandigital

soon to be burnlounge.com/wills
On 02/6/06 4:54 PM, Wesley Johnson said:

no
On 02/7/06 9:28 AM, Seth Werkheiser said:

Considering I’m not even allowed to look at the site because I don’t use IE is silly. Even if I could join, Wills, the music won’t play on my iPod… pooey
On 02/7/06 12:42 PM, Wills said:

I use Mozilla to look at the site everyday…just click go to site anyway. This will be fixed once we are out of the beta stage.

As far as not being able to use it on an IPod, that is not true either. Simply load the music from the download directory into your itunes library and it converts into AAC or Ipod format so you can load it.

Granted it is one more step than ITunes, but at least Steve Jobbs isn’t getting one bit of my money. If you become a “Mogul” and buy your own music you get a small percentage back every song. Again this would take about 8,000 songs or so to make your investment back but once other people are in your team all of their sales apply towards your revenue as well.

It is classic MLM and this is the ground floor. It is a good deal.
On 02/13/06 3:14 PM, Not a BurnLounge fan said:

It is classic MLM and this is the ground floor. It is a good deal.

No, this is exactly why it’s a horrible deal. I’ve been to a few “informational” meetings, and the focus was set primarily on recruiting team members, not about the product. In fact, the moderator got a little peaved that I kept asking about the music, as it was quite clear what her agenda was.

The golden rule in MLM, is, and has always been: If the product takes a back seat to recruitment, run! Burnlounge will be just like Janglefish…all the $$$ will be made in recruitment, and after 18 months the lower half of the pyramid will be left holding the bag. Shameless.
On 02/15/06 4:19 PM, jaimie said:

Thanks for summing up the program so nicely. I haven’t joined though ALL my friends are convinced they’re going to be millionaires, and I’m going to be left feeling sorry I didn’t join up, but you’re right. EVERYONE is TOTALLY focused on the pyramid part of this program, and NOT the product. I didn’t know what I didn’t like about this whole new business opportunity until I read your post. Thanks!
On 02/15/06 8:39 PM, Seth Werkheiser said:

Excellent, excellent – great comments here. MLM is horrible, since exponential growth is near impossible.
On 02/20/06 3:13 PM, Ed Schultz said:

Burnlounge will soon become a house hold name. Songs downloaded from Burnlounge can be played on an apple IPOD, it just takes a few extra steps……
(1)do a Burnlounge download (save!!) to windows media player and let the song play for at least 10 seconds in order to acquire the license, (2) burn the song(s) to a CD and (3) rip the song(s) on the CD into the Itunes software and load on to the apple IPOD as you normally do. My daughter has placed quite a few burnlounge downloads on her apple IPOD.

Got questions about Burnlounge?? ask me at edbo@alltel.net or go to http://www.burnlounge.com/edsmusicdownloads or http://www.edsmusicdownloads.com Cheers!!!
On 02/20/06 9:58 PM, Jon Shell said:

Songs downloaded from Burnlounge can be played on an apple IPOD, it just takes a few extra steps……
(1)do a Burnlounge download (save!!) to windows media player and let the song play for at least 10 seconds in order to acquire the license, (2) burn the song(s) to a CD and (3) rip the song(s) on the CD into the Itunes software and load on to the apple IPOD as you normally do. My daughter has placed quite a few burnlounge downloads on her apple IPOD.

yeah, that sure is a few. so how is this better than iTunes? i just don’t see it.
On 02/25/06 2:57 AM, Mat said:

Yep classic MLM. You treat it like a business you get paid like a business you treat it like a hobby it pays you like a hobby.
On 02/25/06 10:00 PM, Amanda said:

I LOVE GOOD CHARLOTTE. AND I think ou are all STUPID!!!!!
On 02/25/06 10:01 PM, Amanda said:

I LOVE JOEL!
On 02/25/06 10:01 PM, Amanda said:

I LOVE BENJI!
On 02/25/06 10:03 PM, Amanda said:

AND I Agree with sean cannon. CUSE GC ROX!!!!!!!
On 02/25/06 10:07 PM, Amanda said:

And just so people know I only came here becuse I was looking for stuff about GOOD CHARLOTTE even Know I all ready know all most everything about them. I guess Im just bored.
On 02/25/06 10:09 PM, Amanda said:

Even know I dont care what u people think. but like I said Im bored
On 02/25/06 10:24 PM, mikey said:

keep on commenting please…
On 03/1/06 1:44 PM, kevin said:

i know a bit about burnlounge. as a person at a record label- i find it to be an excellent and unique concept for selling music and getting artists paid better than the iTunes model. THAT is why its better than iTunes– because the artists make more money. Also, there is a funciton of the site that allows music lovers to share information about what they like with other users. its more community oriented, and that’s how independent artists get their music heard, through word of mouth.

the MLM part is even logical and looks like a good way to go. It really just comes down to being about creative marketing of the concept. The reason it has that smelly MLM everyone-gets-rich feel is that of course it is going to attract people who know their way around sales how-to books and spew that kind of stuff. Just because someone speaks to you at a seminar with some hearltess drivel about getting rich, doesn’t mean that the guys who conceived the concept intended them to feed it to you that way.

I’m signing up today.
On 03/1/06 2:43 PM, carl jr. said:

what label are you at? don’t be so vague and maybe we’ll believe you
On 03/1/06 2:49 PM, Jay said:

BurnLounge is really a global diet pill pyramid scheme!
On 03/1/06 3:17 PM, Sean Cannon said:

oh no, i just want everyone to know that i don’t really think that “yOu aLL SuX!!!!!11!11!!!! gOoD ShaRLottE RuLz!!!1!!!11one!!!!!!!111!!!!!!” i’m pretty sure that you all know that, but someone did happen to make the mistake of not recognizing satire.
On 03/1/06 3:19 PM, Wesley Johnson said:

the spam diet OHHHHH
On 03/1/06 6:28 PM, Seth Werkheiser said:

No idea what he said, but right on.
On 03/2/06 7:49 PM, uhiuhi said:

yeah cause dat grown ass man crew be runnin dat shit in austin…
On 03/2/06 10:49 PM, Ed S said:

WELL SAID KEVIN (on march 1)….

Burnlounge… A Geometric Shape?

Hmmmmmm, why would the likes of 4 major labels (Sony/BMG, Universal, EMI and Warner Music Group as well as hundreds of independent labels) get involved in a geometric shape??

Rock and Roll

http://www.edsmusicdownload.com
On 03/6/06 10:58 PM, Brad said:

If anyone knows anything about distribution and music, then they will understand why BurnLounge is going to be HUGE!! The artists, labels and fans love it and get it. Get paid to promote music, how cool is that? This model will create massive sales of units. It’s a new form of retail. Pyramid scheme? Hardly!! Why are the major labels involved then? This company has it all and will dominate the market place. All busineses are built in a pyramid. Most people don’t realize this, just think about it. Why support Itunes? They don’t give back to the consumer, BurnLounge does! Some of the biggest bands in the world are in BurnLounge. Stop wasting your time and Get In!!
On 03/7/06 12:24 PM, Carl said:

You are also forgeting movies, tv shows, equipment and sporting events. This will be one of the best things for all music fans and indy artist. I dont know what meeting some people are going to but the music has never taking a back seat. And dont forget that you build your team big so that you can sell more music. Interested go to http://www.burnlounge.com/melaniehall
On 03/7/06 1:43 PM, uhiuhi said:

I want to see the burnloungers start throwing down with each other. Ed…you better tell Carl to back da fuck up off of yo koolaid.
On 03/7/06 2:00 PM, Seth Werkheiser said:

yea, there’s only so many Buzzgrinder readers you can reach here! haha
On 03/7/06 6:21 PM, Ed S said:

uhiuhi: Burnlounge is all about teamwork and leadership. Burnloungers are all working together to change the music world as we know it today!

Come on guys, have an open mind and give burnlounge a look, it has changed my life and it could change yours……

If you have ever dreamed at being in the right place at the right time, Congratulations, Burnlounge has arrived.

Kevin, Brad, Carl…….10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, ignition, we have lift off, Burnlounge is climbing high!!!!

Seth, I think you are under-estimating the power of Buzzgrinder!!

Rock and Roll and Yeeeeeeehaw.

http://www.edsmusicdownloads.com
On 03/7/06 8:11 PM, Ken said:

Why is everyone getting down on Burnlounge? Burnlounge music can be played on any MP3 player except the IPOD!(Except the 1 extra step) Ask your self why can’t ITunes music be played on any other MP3 Player? Can you say MONOPOLIZE? It not going to work now that all the artist, labels, fans and the world see what Mr. Jobbs is trying to do!
On 03/7/06 8:31 PM, JOT said:

Why are some of you so hostile about Burnlounge?
On 03/7/06 11:05 PM, Brad said:

http://www.BurnMusicHere.com
On 03/8/06 6:18 AM, Ed S said:

brad, carl…

check out my “lead capture page” at http://www.edsmusicdownloads.com (burnlounge) and let me know if you want some help in doing this…

edbo@alltel.net
On 03/8/06 8:36 AM, Jon Shell said:

ahem… “MONOPOLIZE.”
On 03/8/06 9:00 AM, Wesley Johnson said:

Why are some of you so hostile about Burnlounge?

because their are about 70 comments on this thread and the majority of them are commercials for peoples personal stores
On 03/8/06 9:01 AM, Wesley Johnson said:

do any of yall watch laguna beach?
On 03/8/06 9:43 AM, Jeremie said:

i’ve never seen so many canned responses in my life, seth can you just delete this as some sort of comment spamming/advertising, not a single pro burnlounge post looks legit.

….and post 69 lmao
On 03/8/06 11:25 AM, uhiuhi said:

Laguna Beach? Like hells yeahs!!!!11!!!
On 03/8/06 11:28 AM, uhiuhi said:

ok ed…ill join your ranks…but first…

…you must cut down the biggest tree in the forest with…

…a herring!!!
On 03/8/06 5:55 PM, Heywood Jablowme said:

Ummm…have you turds ever heard of peer to peer progs like limewire or bittorrent. Why would I, or anyone I know pay for music when we can get it for free.

“you can’t bypass the system when we created it.”
On 03/10/06 8:26 PM, Craigger White said:

“This will be one of the best things for all music fans and indy artist. I dont know what meeting some people are going to but the music has never taking a back seat.”

Very interesting sentences. And it’s spelled “indie,” shitbag.
On 03/15/06 7:55 PM, df said:

you can download music from my website to an ipod by first saving it to cd then uploading from cd to your ipod
On 03/15/06 11:02 PM, uhiuhi said:

so we’ve heard…

df, i recommend finding another vagina, this ones already been stretched by ed, ken, kevin, brad, and carl…
On 03/17/06 4:39 PM, Crusher said:

The revolution is here and it is Burn Lounge. Let the people who dont get it yet talk, cause thats all they ever will be doing while we are changing the way the world downloads music, tv shows, ring tones, and how fans support the real artists, who are out there, playing music for themselves and not because someone is telling them what to play.

I get to do all that AND make money, new friends, and be on the cutting edge of the music industry? Hmmm…

Anyone who gets it; Rock N Roll! Come check out my site
Anyone who wants to get it; come on! Be a part of the revolution!

http://www.burnlounge.com/digitaldownloaddepot
On 03/18/06 8:50 PM, O'Malley said:

Are you guys selling music or just the opportunity to sell music? How much much music have you sold? You plan to get rich making a nickel per song from your friends? And $0.02 per song from their friends? Do the math.

Lots of interesting burnlounge info here: http://burnlounge.proboards92.com/index.cgi
On 03/19/06 8:11 PM, MoJo said:

Yo heywood….cause you are a stinkin rotten theif.yA lOSER
On 03/20/06 10:54 AM, cool guy said:

i hate joel madden
On 03/23/06 2:44 PM, Anna said:

i hate cool guy
On 03/23/06 2:44 PM, Anna said:

i love Joel Madden!
On 03/23/06 2:45 PM, Anna said:

i love every1 in GC!
On 03/26/06 6:37 PM, Tracy Goguen said:

Hi omg i love joel u r soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo HOT
On 03/27/06 12:43 PM, Brad said:

This model is all about setting up points of distribution and selling music and not stealing it! There are over 17,000 Burnlounge retailer’s across the country. This means we all are selling music we love and getting paid for it. Then you show a friend or someone this concept and the GET IN, and you make overrides on that as well. Itunes doens’t pay you or anyone, BurnLounge does. So those of you who want music for free, I can show you how you can “get it for free legally” and get paid at the same time! Now are you interested? Call 1800-242-0363 Ext. 2876. You will be glad you did.
On 03/27/06 9:17 PM, AO said:

To O’Malley who asked if anyone had sold any music. I would like to know the same thing. I signed up for burnlounge, but the only person who has bought any music from my site is me. I’m not ready to jump the burnlounge ship yet, but some of the concerns and comments I’ve read on this thread are things that I’ve thought of too. Only time will tell.
On 04/3/06 3:37 PM, Anthony said:

It only costs about $30 to $450 to join. If you can’t risk that, then you’re probably not the type of person who takes business risks anyway.
BurnLounge may or may not work out. But if it does, the payout could be great, so long as you put work into it. It’s not a get-rich scam. Also, it’s not MLM because you can easily make more money then the people above you.
Name me one successful company that does not structure their salesforce in a network marketing, multi-level marketing, or pyramid type of structure. Microsoft does it through it’s partners. And so does your favorite Apple company.
If you don’t want to make money in this business, then it’s simple…don’t get in. I’ll be happy to share with you more on how it can be done whether you sign in on my store or someone elses. http://www.ShopNBurn.com or email at Sales@ShopNBurn.com.
On 04/3/06 4:25 PM, Wesley Johnson said:

burnlounge is like a music industry dingleberry!
On 04/4/06 5:18 PM, don said:

Thanks for the informative post. I was trying to find out the scoop on these guys. I think I’d rather be making music and art than recruiting people to sell it through some kind of scheme.
Regards,
Don
On 04/5/06 5:34 AM, joe merk said:

I am an independent music artist, I have 3 CD`S that I have recorded. I am also an Apple user ( Logic ) for recording.
I have a burnlounge store, Why? Because $444.90 is alot less expensive than what it was going to cost to have my CD`s produced and have the whole package ready for sale. I have had my store for just over two weeks and I have already made my money back. I`m not trying to get rich. I just found it a great way to distribute my music. If I make money Great! If not, I haven`t lost anything, and I had a good time.
I guess Ted Nugent, Gene Simmons, Bon Jovi, Tony Stewart, Dale Jr, Jeff Gordon, and Rusty Wallace are all idiots for getting involved.
Y`know I really like Apple. But so what! Apple has lost to microsoft before, and it could happen again.
One more thing, Someone better tell those billion dollar companies like MaryKaye, Shakley, Avon, etc… that they are a scam and they can`t sustain their growth because the math just doesn`t work.
Those who say it can`t be done should get out of the way of those that are doing it!
thanks for letting me spew!
joe
On 04/8/06 9:15 AM, kris said:

hey ur da coolest 2 eva hit this earth!!!….lol…..buh byee
On 04/8/06 9:16 AM, kris said:

joel is like the best guy u’ll eva (my friend told me that….lol….
On 04/8/06 9:19 AM, kris said:

:):):):):):):):):)
On 04/8/06 2:37 PM, Crockett said:

Wow, that’s some interesting reading folks. Diversity is what makes America great. Some thoughts on what I’ve read here and learned as a new burnlounger…During beta mode .9 the software developed by the Burnlounge executives (read http://www.yourburnteam.com to see that the most powerful names in music and business in the last 10-20 years have modeled this company)is simply amazing.
The push right now is for retailers over music, no denying that. Why? The basic concept of Burnlounge is to develop a worldwide distribution network. The negative comments above simply tell me these folks haven’t read anything about the company (small minds make small money). The public launch for Burnlounge Worldwide will happen in June in Las Vegas. Between now and then, the push is to set up as many distributorships as possible. When the public announcement is made, version 1.0 will be released. Watch for it, it will be everywhere. MTV, Rolling Stone magazine, etc. Billboard magazine did a piece on Burnlounge board members BEFORE it even opened the doors, just on the power of the board members and the BILLIONS of dollars they have made for their respective companies in the past. Version 2.0 will be released sometime this Fall ‘06. Pyramids are illegal, it refers to “frontloading” product, whether the rep sells it or not doesn’t matter. MLM is simply a distribution method. Great post regarding all business being MLM. WalMart has a corporate headquarters, then they have distributorships all over the place, they’re called “stores”. Sorry couldn’t resist overstating the obvious. Burnlounge never “frontloads” any product, the user gets it when they want it by clicking download now. BonFire IM is another segment of Burnlounge, developed souly to stimulate like minded chat groups who like similar music, and give them a forum to share with each other. The core of the business is music lovers sharing music. Read about the company before dealing out random uninformed comments folks. If you consider yourself intelligent with a meaningful post, then be educated on what you are commenting on. Otherwise it’s no better than a little kid saying he hates broccoli cause it looks funny, puhleeze! This is the Microsoft version of ITunes. Bill Gates himself owns a Burnlounge store, not as owner of the company, but as a retailer like the rest of us. He seems fairly smart about money and business, I consider that a strong validation!

More on the focus of retailers over product early on: If you read the business plan thouroughly as I have (hey, I was skeptical too, but open minded and willing to investigate), you’ll find that bonuses are only earned with SALES OF PRODUCT quotas being met by your entire team-every month! Alex Arnold is an advocate of the music, the artists, and the fans.

Artist like the one above love it too. Why? They can submit their CD to Burnlounge and within 2 weeks it will be approved and released for sale on all Burnlounge stores, now over 20,000 strong and growing daily. More? The artist gets 70% of the money for each sale, not 5-10% or whatever the record companies would normally pay out. And like he mentioned above, they don’t have to print CDs, reduced overhead. Again geared toward promoting the artists! They are focusing on niche genres, international music, out of print, hard to find, etc. Keeping good music from dissappearing and promoting good music that otherwise will get little or zero press.

Imagine having your band doing gigs and instead of printing CDs and hauling them around, you just pass out cards with your store link on it and give them to your fans to download from your store. AND, they can get their friends to download the music too, without having to find your CDs at a gig.

The motto of Burnlounge is “Music for the people, by the people”. Remember 8 tracks? Cassette tapes? Where are they now? History, like CDs DVD’s will be very soon. Digital is where the world is going-The Digital Age. Alex Arnold and his team are simply visionaries, check their bios for yourself on http://www.yourburnteam.com! They were visionaries 20 years ago and have made their companies Billions leading people to those visions. Alex is speaking at HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL on the coming Digital Age. Think the folks at Harvard invited him for shits and giggles? No, he is a world renowned business genius. Any of you take a company from $20 million a year to $20 million a MONTH? He did. Successful people follow other successful people. Why do rich people keep getting richer? Cause they follow success with an open mind and NEVER pass on a sound opportunity. Now he’s spearheaded a company that instead of spending $50 million a year on advertising, lets the “people on the streets” keep that money while promoting the concept. I like that idea personally.

For the meeting folks who didn’t feel good about the speaker:great post #48 above: “Just because someone speaks to you at a seminar with some hearltess drivel about getting rich, doesn’t mean that the guys who conceived the concept intended them to feed it to you that way.” Couldn’t be said better. Be real people. Yes there are folks who will always focus on money instead of the business. Get 100 people in a room and you’ll have 100 different dispositions on as many subjects. The bottom line here is what Burnlounge ask all prospects to do. Learn the background of the board members, read the mission statement and business plan of the company (not just the money making side but all of it), learn the future growth plans for the company (again all of it, not just the money part) AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF WITH ALL INFO BEING CONSIDERED. Don’t ever let someone else “talk you into” Burnlounge or any business investment for that matter. That’s idiotic! Read, learn, evaluate, and decide for yourself. Don’t think it’s for you? Cool, don’t join. Want to sit around and try to poke holes into it? You’re wasting your own time. Burnlounge will be worldwide, 50 countries in 20 months. OUTSIDE predictions from market analists on Burnlounge are predicting that within ONE year, these 20,000+ retailers will grow to be 5 MILLION+ retailers. Um, yeah, those first 20,000 will be rich, including me thankfully. Wonder where the folks who got into Amway during the first 6 months are about now? Sitting on their private island somewhere in the tropics I imagine. See I thought Amway was dried up years ago, but in reality they did something like $40 Billion with a B in worldwide revenue last year. These board members of Burnlounge have all the resources in the world, literally, at their disposal. Growth is not a question here, it is happening now and will continue to happen. Join or don’t join, the choice is yours.

Just make some effort in posting an informed message at least, all I’m hearing here is “I think broccoli sucks cause it looks funny!”

And yes, it won’t hurt my feelings at all if you visit my store for music and all things digital in the very near future, or to join my team. http://www.burnlounge.com/crockettdigital

Have a nice day!
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On 04/10/06 8:31 AM, velyta said:

i love joel madden the best
On 04/10/06 11:56 AM, Wesley Johnson said:

man thatd dude typed a lot of crap
On 04/10/06 12:00 PM, Wesley Johnson said:

wow. i just typed burnlounge in to google and we are the third or fourth result. also, typing joel madden in to google, we are the third or fourth from the bottom on the second page.
On 04/11/06 7:41 AM, Jordan said:

They are focusing on niche genres, international music, out of print, hard to find, etc. Keeping good music from dissappearing and promoting good music that otherwise will get little or zero press.

well if that’s what they are doing we should all just download “soul seek” and get hard to find, out of print, good music on our own FOR FREE!!!
On 04/12/06 3:40 AM, KC said:

OK there’s one MAJOR flaw to burnlouge….every proponent talks about BL being a way to distribute music worldwide. In fact Brad a couple of dozen posts up said there were 17,000 ’stores’ nationwide. As if the term nationwide or worldwide even applies in cyberspace….

It’s all about exposure. the more BL is in your face, the more apt someone is gonna buy from it. They could be selling anything but music is like selling candy to babies. I’ll be hard pressed to find ANY indie artists on most BL stores.

of course the majors are in on it….they’re the only ones guaranteed $$$, .70 to be exact. As an indy, you’re only guaranteed .50/sale. now if a major is entitled to .70 just because they have a back catalogue, where’s that .20 that the indy artist is supposed to be getting? I would guess burnlounge, Looks like burnlounge is a label now as well.

At the end of the day, sadly, like the REAL music industry, it’s all about hustling. It’s not about music at all. the focus is on everything but the music, meaning there’s a bunch of disposable product out there. Good luck Burnloungers, I hope you all burn.
On 04/13/06 1:22 AM, John Green said:

Stay away!!

http://www.indiemusician.com/music_business/2006/02/burnlounge_ponz.html has info you will find helpful.
On 04/13/06 7:29 AM, kuskus said:

i lovvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee buzzgrinder
On 04/14/06 10:08 PM, Crockett said:

#100 reference link is nothing less than cynical opinion mixed with a few compliments to Burnlounge. Don’t believe in uber succesful people (BL board) being able to do it again? Alex Arnold is simply working on building his THIRD Billion dollar company. Believe in nothing and you get nothing. You probably think it’s going to rain every day when you wake up. Don’t rain on our parade, we’re makin’ money whether you agree with it or believe it or not. While you type your cynycisms, we’re cashing our checks. Your loss. History will tell…
On 04/15/06 1:45 AM, uhiuhi said:

#102…haha…dumbass…are you cashing checks now…huh? huh? eheh didn’t think so. You’d be better off selling yourself on the streets…
On 04/15/06 11:14 AM, Northland » Burnlounge.com Review said:

[...] I was a bit shocked to find a blog post saying the site sticks to WMA files and does not sell files that are compatible with iPods. If that is true, then the setup slaps a huge limitation on who would buy the files. I recently bought a basic MP3 player, and I bought a Sandisk one so that it would be easy to use on my Linux machines. It plays WMA files, but I realize that 98% of the other music fans are out there buying iPods. [...]
On 04/15/06 7:32 PM, Cowboybill said:

This has been a very interesting read. I would just add a couple of points. Starting with the last post.

The 98% of other fans out there buying IPODs only represent a small portion of the “youth” group, and they are buying IPODS because of a very successful advertising campaign as well as it being the first in the game. Remember, the IPOD is just a piece of equipment. When 8tracks first came out (yeah I know most of you don’t know what that is) they were the very popular for a while. Then they got replaced with something else. Same thing when CDs replaced records (those round plastic things with grooves). Post #72 above by some skank thief named Heywood said why should he pay for music when he can get it free?

Again, only a small portion of the world has gone digital at this point, mostly the young. The young usually lead the rest of the world in changes in music format. But don’t be deceived, the rest of the world is going to come along too. And when they do, they are not going to be satisfied with ripping off artists with P2P ripoff programs that cheat the artist and come with all kinds of problems like trojans and viruses. They are going to want to feel secure in their purchase. And they are going to want it SIMPLE.

There is going to be a lot of money made in the coming digital revolution. There is no reason to let it all be made by big companies like Apple. Burn Lounge seems to offer a way for the little guy to get in on the action.

No I have not joined BL yet. I’ve been looking into it for the last couple of days since I got my first invitation to look at it. Now I can’t wait to sign up. There are several levels of participation. Not everyone is destined to be a mogul. Some might want to participate at the fan level to promote their favortie band, others might want to build a team under them to help them earn FREE LEGAL music, and some will want to look at the business opportunity which is a little more pricey, but nothing compared to the cost of other business oportunities. (I realize that does not apply to most of the skeptics on this thread)

Take a clue from the actual artist who posted up above. It will help artists distribute their music in a way that was not POSSIBLE before.

Too bad I don’t have a BL site to refer you to yet. But you can look at my goats on my URL.
On 04/17/06 11:23 AM, Triniti said:

Hello all Im a producer and Engineer in Atlanta Ga
I work with SLAMJAMZ RECORDS/PUBLIC ENEMY
I am also a burnlounge Retailer.
the reason ppl are so skeptical is because they what I call linear income ppl they only understand this way of making money these type of ppl in most cases work for someone else untill retierment. If they do get their own busines its all based on what they do.
Now so many time I hear ppl say oh thats a pyramid let me ask you what is a pyramid structure.
Did you know that the place where you work is a true pyramid in the fact that you will never earn more than the CEO of that company.
Where in burnlounge everyone has the same options to make money in the same way. 1 + 1 = 1 no matter who adds it up!
Now ppl are so consumed with Itunes and most of the ppl that speak of Itunes dont own an ipod and the ones that do dont like it much because of the upgrading process or repair cost.What about all the other music that cannot work on the ipod.
Somone said they could go use limeware and get the music for free
ok sure but can you place that music on an ipod? Sure you can just as you can with music from BL
it does require and extra step. this not the Fault of Burnlounge or anyone else but apple. Now everyone Glorifies apple so what I did for a certain Artist I said ok I went to Itunes I got one song from them and right after I asked them can you tell me how much you made right now .
They said no
I said well if you was in BL you would have made at least 50 cents and you would know it right now and be paid in a week! Also Apple faces so many other issues that alot of folks dont know.
Burnlounge is real and not a scam
I have everyone on my team from regular everyday ppl from superstars
I think the ones that speak bad of burnlounge do not understand it
But the reality is this..Because of BL I have no clock to punch
I wake up and money is in the bank literaly alot of times from me doing nothing (someone sold music)Check this I even bought music from a friend of mine her music is on burnlounge “Eclectic Colors of R and I was not looking to make money off getting her music I just wanted it
and I ended up making 50 cents from buying her music. She made her cut and I even got a cut that was cool
Well I laugh cause most ppl dont know that Bill Gates went to Steven Spielberg for an investment for MS and was turned down and probly for skeptical reasons and well now he kicks himself..I bet he feels reall dumb right now!
Well My partners are Rick Dees and Carson Daily and A slew of other succesfull ppl.If you dont see it thats fine. There will be those that become rich from the sales of Entertainment downloads and those that watch it happen and help us get more weathy so Hey its on you Join us. You have a choice you can buy from someone or buy from yourself the choice is yours.
http://www.zellymusic.com
http://www.slamjamz.com
On 04/18/06 8:38 PM, Dmitry said:

Hi
To write the letter, it is necessary …
On 04/20/06 7:49 AM, Crockett said:

I thought ingnorance was bliss, the ignorant here seem angry, lol. Poor uhiuhi #103, dialogue of a 12 yr old, we appreciate your efforts to hang with the adults. But you shouldn’t call others dumbass, unless you are looking in the mirror. I already stated the money is coming in, Reading Is Fundamental. 5 weeks, just over $4000 uhiuhi. Yes, we are CASHING OUR CHECKS WEEKLY, RIGHT NOW. IS THIS CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU? IF NOT GET YOUR PARENTS TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND. Sorry, I’m new to working with special needs folks. Honk Honk, the short bus is there to pick you up for school uhiuhi, don’t miss it, you need all the help you can get. PS-try not to insult others just because you don’t understand something. Off to the bank sucka…
On 04/20/06 9:02 AM, Wesley Johnson said:

i know we get great google results off of this but this thread is screaming for deletion so more important things stay active
On 04/20/06 10:25 AM, uhiuhi said:

yes please
On 04/20/06 6:17 PM, uhiuhi said:

So basically you only download from burnlounge if you’re cool and rebelious like Joel Madden? ‘Cause itunes is sooo conforming to society’s standards…
On 04/22/06 3:55 AM, Mark said:

Check out the site and watch the commercial. It’s a no brainer to get in while it’s young. This is the next EXCEL!

http://www.burnlounge.com/2mmusic

More information:

Voice On Demand – 620-294-1200 ext #1
Rick Dees Validation Call – 877-284-5749

If you have questions, submit them through my store.
On 04/22/06 8:57 PM, Paije said:

do u have sumfin agenst Joel Madden?!?!?!?! geez, he was juz bein nice & u had 2 go & be a dickweed & say shit ’bout him!!! fux sake! he is a hot, nice, sweet person-and he is in the BEST band in the wurld!!! plus he & benji are rock gods, and they r fuckin sxc!!!! if u dont lyk his music or woteva, then maybe u should crawl back in2 the hole u came out of & listen 2 ur pop or hip hop or woteva shit it is dat u listen 2!!!!!
urs sincerely,
Joel Madden FAN!!
On 04/23/06 6:43 AM, Andy said:

During the past few weeks I’ve been approached by more than a few clients regarding the BurnLounge site. Then a friend of the family asked me to look into this business and let them know what I thought. I even went in to listen to her boss give a sales pitch to me. I kept asking him how it wasn’t really a pyramid scheme as it focused on making him money by making me a Mogul (with the ‘university package’). He couldn’t give an answer.

BurnLounge is focused entirely on making money from recruiting distributors. If you were focused on making money by selling music, that would be different. Definitely a scam, and no, I sincerely doubt anyone with a Mogul account is going to admit to that because it’s in their best interest to promote their so-called business (of recruiting more distributors).

I considered BurnLounge only in the sense that I might sell this to other musicians. That would be a valuable service, if those musicians were able to upload their art and music to a wide audience with little hassle. I believe that’s not currently the case. Second to that, of course, would be selling the music. But you’d have to sell roughly 3,000 songs per month to break even – not considering other fees associated, and taxes. When you’re encouraging your friends (ie, you’re ‘network’) to become ‘music mogules’ how do you suppose you’re going to all sell 3,000 songs per month or more?

When you read what other folks have to say about BurnLounge, you can pretty much group them into two categories: Folks who are pointing out the obvious, and folks who are trying to sell you on becoming a distributor. Check the URL they are promoting.

Also, consider the massive fees BurnLounge is going to have to pay for bandwidth, maintenance, programming, legal fees, etc. You’re looking at a minimum of $500/mo per server from Rackspace, and that only gives you like 20GB/mo traffic. They’ll have to add quite a few servers and will use up quite a bit of bandwidth when they go ‘public’. Those costs add up quite a bit, and that’s also why iTunes just breaks even. They make money off the iPods, not the iTunes (but someday they will make money directly from iTunes).

Also, I read through BurnLounge’s agreement/contract. They basically state that you can’t advertise your so-called store in any other way than they spell out. I’ve seen lots of advertisements on myspace, but they don’t really conform to what I’ve seen on BurnLounge’s agreement. The only thing you’re really selling is mogul packages, not music.

Ugh, it’s a stupid pyramid scheme. Don’t act now, supplies aren’t limited, experts don’t agree, it won’t change your life, it’s not easy, it’s not fast, it’s not incredible, it’s not once in a lifetime: It’s a great scam to sucker suckers into suckering other suckers. -sucksucksucksucksucksucksuck-
On 04/23/06 6:22 PM, velu said:

i love gc and joel madde
On 04/24/06 9:17 PM, Katie said:

I think the main point here should be…

The artist gets TONS more money from the sales of their music when it’s bought through Burnlounge than the would through any record company or iTunes. Yes, it’s true.
On 04/24/06 10:20 PM, Wesley Johnson said:

i vote we strip burnlounge links out of anymore people who leave them in this thread
On 04/24/06 10:29 PM, dake said:

can’t we just close this thread and move on with our lives? like all laguna beach thread style?
On 04/28/06 11:22 AM, Tirleton said:

Burnlounge is an interesting concept that has the potential to radically change how media is purchased. However, this doesn’t mean that individual Moguls will actually make money. The potential to make money falls into two categories: (1) Profit from retail media sales and (2) Profit from membership associated fees ($430 signup fee, monthly and annual software licenses and required media sales).

The low profit margins from media sales and the existing competition (Yahoo Music, iTunes, RealNetworks and other BurnLounge retailers) ensure that little money will be made on $.05 and $.02 returns on records sales.

Therefore, the money to be made will primarily be sourced from Membership Associated Fees. This is the classic MLM model. Passive participants will not make money in BurnLounge or any business for that matter. The early BurnLounge adopters who agressively work to sponsor new members and teams do have an opportunity to make considerable money during the early phases of BurnLounge. Overtime, however, the growth curve will flatten out and the profits will start to decrease.

The questions I believe for anyone considering BurnLounge are (1) how quickly are you willing to jump in and (2) how hard are you willing to work?
On 04/28/06 2:40 PM, Wesley Johnson said:

See what I mean here on Buzzgrinder? I pour a good 15 minutes into this post and it gets 4 comments. I post an album cover and it gets like 50. hahah

SETH DID IT!
On 04/28/06 3:27 PM, The 1/3 said:

i vote we strip burnlounge links out of anymore people who leave them in this thread

Good plan.
On 04/30/06 9:22 PM, Mark in Bama said:

I decided to give burnlounge a try for selfish reason.
I am an artist and I want to get my music to as many people as possible…and with burnlounge I have that opportunity.
And as an added bonus I can help others achieve their dreams and make new friends and money and contacts along the way!

If you love country music then check out my site
https://www.burnlounge.com/markanthonysmusic.com

If you live in Alabama and want your own store or want to be part of a great team…. mail me @ Familyauc@hotmail.com.

You can also contact me if you are an artist and you would like to have your music on several sites.
Maybe I can Help!

Mark
205-935-5170 or 205-412-5814
On 04/30/06 9:31 PM, Sean said:

SETH DID IT!

you’re right, wes. this is all seth’s fault. maybe we should fire him.
On 05/1/06 8:28 AM, Justin said:

BURNLOUNGE=WMF ONLY=IE ONLY=SUCKS! SERIOUSLY!
On 05/2/06 10:36 AM, jules said:

to craiger white, FUCK YOU!!!! joel madden is the hottest, nicest and best band member out of all the bands in this world!!! so yea ur the horsheshit not him! i have to agree with anna when i say i hate you
On 05/12/06 8:44 PM, Ric said:

Hello all…

With the spectacular MLM failures of the past, it’s no wonder why people are skeptical. I’ve signed up as a Mogul and, I’m still a bit skeptical myself…but, given that downloading music is the way things are going, it’s easier to ride the horse in the direction he’s going.

Like I said before, I’m still skeptical…not so much because it’s an MLM, just wondering if the originators are in it for the quick riches or long haul. Time will tell.

Let me ask you this question:

How many American CEOs share their wealth…with anyone beyond their stockholders?

I’m not talking about any kind of giveaway just because they have it, I’m talking about with their own employees? You know…the ones who have worked their asses off to help the company get where it is?

If you have money, then you can buy stock (if they’re public, of course), otherwise, I don’t know of too many U.S. CEOs overtly helping their employees, do you?

Is the fat bastard from Exxon/Mobil giving back *any* of his record profits? What is it about $3.50+ per gallon gas prices are you enjoyuing the most?

I’ve been in sales for well over 30 years now. For the most part, sales people are responsible for good portions of a company’s revenue. Customer service people, too, contribute a lot of revenue.

Since my 1992 entry into telecommunications, I’ve been caught in the middle of 3 buyouts and mergers. Take a wild guess as to who are the first to be let go? The revenue generators.

The accepted business model – the one no one seems to complain about – is more blatantly beholden to their executives and stockholders than they are, again, to the people on whose backs they make their fortune.

Kingston Technologies is one of the few companies that’s actually given back to their employees.

BurnLounge thinks that giving back to the people involved will generate better publicity than buying the ads that say it. I’m going to give them some time to prove it.

If the MLM naysayers wish to continue licking the boots of the companies happy to step on them, be my guest.

I’m going to see if there still exists, a *few* people and companies who do what they say.

Thanx for reading.

Ric
On 05/13/06 12:39 AM, uhiuhi said:

Oh my fucking god delete this please…put us all out of our misery…i’m so tired of hearing the same bullshit every time…
On 05/13/06 4:31 AM, somebody said:

kill kill kill
On 05/13/06 4:31 AM, somebody said:

die die die
On 05/13/06 11:51 AM, Andrew said:

To the people who think that cds will be outdated, that’s another conversation. I personally would much rather have a cd, album, something in my hand to look at and feel and see the artwork and how it was printed. I don’t really believe that there will be a digital world revolution. What about books? Who world rather read a book on a computer vs. a real physical book. I know that’s a little different but still.
Maybe I’m just trying to defend my career? ha
(graphic design)

bam
On 05/13/06 11:52 AM, Jake said:

i have to go potty!
On 05/13/06 3:59 PM, jessica said:

WHAT THE FUCK!
On 05/13/06 4:01 PM, jessica said:

DANM YOU FINE JOEL MADDEN (HE HE) YOU GUYS FUCKIN ROCK!
On 05/14/06 3:46 AM, Dan Diemer said:

poor spam filters are workin their little tails off.
On 05/17/06 1:36 AM, The 1/3 said:

This page does really well on a Google search for Burnlounge.
On 05/17/06 9:52 AM, sleepy said:

this topic ain’t funny… i want a7x bashing!!!
On 05/17/06 11:08 AM, Seth Werkheiser said:

WOw – we’re on the first page of Google results. Go us.
On 05/21/06 10:02 PM, uhiuhi said:

i dare somebody to read it top to bottom…
On 05/21/06 11:14 PM, uhiuhi said:

haha

# Seth Werkheiser said:
January 26th, 2006 at 7:10 pm

See what I mean here on Buzzgrinder? I pour a good 15 minutes into this post and it gets 4 comments. I post an album cover and it gets like 50. hahah

who woulda thought…
On 05/23/06 6:30 PM, sugar money said:

alright, so i was directed to your site by a friend and well… i’m considering opening up a store. i see the plus and minuses… in a bit of a canundrum (sp??) hmmm… don’t like the add’l steps to ipod (don’t even own one, actually) still – many, many, many friends do (or at least an mp3 player) need a quick summary:
1. WHY SHOULD I OPEN A STORE?
2. WHY SHOULD I NOT OPEN A STORE?

plz help me out guys… i believe everyone out there knows the pros and cons – want to hear both
On 05/25/06 5:06 PM, Brittany said:

i love Benji, One Day he will be my husband. Joel rox too,

muah
PEACE OUT
On 05/25/06 5:07 PM, Amanda said:

I Love Joel Yup yup yup yup, one love Gc rox
On 05/28/06 6:59 AM, bruce elrod said:

I was really pushed on the Burn Lounge thing from all my music associates in Columbia. All they wanted was money. I have a hell of a catalog of music they didn’t even want to talk about. IT IS A PYRAMID SCHEME and it will die shortly. My catalog is at Rhapsody, Walmart and I tunes for downloading and I am quite pleased with the results. What do I need as a record label. This is just fine. I also have reactivated Cashbox Magazine. Shortly Cashbox will be up and running again. You can go to cashboxmagazine.com. I am already laying the ground rules for an honest, forthright charting front again. You will be able to download here too and indy’s will be able to be heard. The difference will be, only the best of the best will make it here. If you’re the average, sound alike, cookie cutter group there will always be a soundclick to go to. Cashbox will sell ads but it won’t cost you a cent to submit your product for review. We will have radio panels for every genre and the staff we have, have been there and done that and have no ax to grind, just search out the best music the world has to offer.
On 05/28/06 11:26 AM, Wesley Johnson said:

whats more annoying

good charlotte fans or burnlounge croanies?

lets vote!
On 05/28/06 11:34 AM, buddy said:

the truely sad thing, after 9,000 posts, i still have no idea what burnlounge is…and yet i still don’t care…

i found the greatest way to get all the new music i want. I went into the city and found a bar and 4 bands were playing. I wanted a CD, but had no money…so asked the band for one and they just GAVE it to me.

is that anything like burnlounge?
On 05/28/06 5:18 PM, mike said:

i vote for good charlotte fans
On 07/20/06 1:45 AM, David Hooper said:

Have some thoughts on this topic which you guys might be interested in…

here…

and…

here.
On 07/27/06 2:52 PM, Jr said:

It is possible to get your music on to an ipod from Burnlounge. Just 1) download the music to your computer 2) burn the music to a CD 3) up load the burnt music to your ipod/itunes software 4) and finnaly, transfer the music to your ipod. Yes, Burnlounge uses Windows Media files and ipods are an Apple software company, but they can work together and soon they will be completely compatible. If my 7 year old son could figure this transfer out, any MONKEY with a keyboard can do it! Try it out and see what happens, or are you too chicken to support the madness!!!
On 07/29/06 11:10 PM, amc said:

Why hate. Burnlounge is a legitimate, legal business oppertunity. The point of the whole thing is to sell music, and you have to sell music to make any money at all. Just read some of the articles on my website, http://www.burnstyle.org.
On 08/5/06 7:54 PM, Gina said:

You are very wrong about not being able to play music purchased from a burnlounge retailer on an ipod. Steve Jobs would love for you to believe that, but it is simply not true. Once you purchase your music from my store and then acquire the license, you would burn it to a CD. Just like any CD you own you can upload it to itunes, then move it to your ipod. I own an ipod and have sucessfully been able to put the music I own on my ipod. Completely legally!!! visit my burnlounge.
http://www.burnlounge.com/chappyslounge.
On 08/8/06 8:47 AM, Nobody Here Is Hating on Burnlounge. Yet. at spinme.com said:

[...] The Burnlounge advocates are correct: iTunes downloads only play on iPods, unless heroic measures are taken. Unfortunately for them, the iPod owning majority of MP3 player users show no signs of switching, and they’re not going to bother with Burnlounge unless there’s something there that they can’t get from Apple. I don’t know if I would want to battle over the remaining 20% of a market. [...]
On 08/17/06 9:02 PM, CokeAddict said:

Woweeee. I just read this whole page top to bottom. Of course, I am on the ‘caine.
On 08/31/06 12:24 PM, Mike said:

Buy Music Here:

https://www.burnlounge.com/inside_the_18
On 09/6/06 11:21 AM, Dave said:

Many people haven’t thoroughly explored BurnLounge as a buying site OR a business opportunity! Just click on this link and watch the commercial.

https://www.burnlounge.com/TightTooonz
On 09/6/06 11:25 AM, Dave said:

OOPS! Link Wrong Above!

Go To: https://www.burnlounge.com/TightToonz

Thanks!
On 09/10/06 4:10 AM, checkin out burnlounge said:

Is this thread still alive?
On 09/10/06 4:21 AM, checkin out burnlounge said:

Well, I have done a lot of reading about BL.
The main thing that keeps my interest is the fact that indie bands can upload their music. I’m tired of the big labels pushing music on us they want us to hear. I’m tired of hearing the same crap over and over. Most of the big label bands sound the same.
So, I guess I support anything that gets the Indie band to a bigger audience.
As for the MLM structure, I don’t think I really dig that. I mean, if everyone has a store, than I just don’t see everyone making money on the album sales. There will just be too many stores. It just seems like in the end it will all crash……I don’t know.

Whataya gonna do?
On 09/19/06 7:03 PM, LAURA said:

I LOVE GOOD CHARLOTTE AND I ALSO LOVE JOEL AND WISH I WENT GOOD CHARLOTTE CONCERT O GOOD CHARLOTTE GO TO CHIHUAHUA CHIHUAHUA
On 09/25/06 4:49 PM, jonny said:

jonny
On 10/4/06 12:28 PM, Master said:

Is everybody really this stupid?
Apple only makes about $0.05 on each sale, the rest goes to the record company! Who’s the greedy one now? And it was Apple that decided to get off their butts and do something about music downloads, NOT the record companies!
If everyone has this little pyramid scheme and everyone gets a little piece of the pie, how much is left for the Artist? Oh and don’t forget, YES!! Microsoft gets paid for EVERY single song, as it uses their proprietary DRM (which sucks).
There is a reason iPod and iTunes control more than 80% of the market! It works!!

Wanny buy some Amway?
On 10/4/06 3:23 PM, Matt Matt said:

I want some Amway! And who cares if you like GC or not, this post isn’t even about the band! Geesh, it’s about how deperate people can gain so much attention through making a music site, but none through their band.
On 10/11/06 11:03 PM, Mike said:

Burnlounge is a bunch of crap. I was involved, and you have to maintain a certain minimum level of sales to even qualify for getting paid cash. They are living on the float, the downline revenue pays for the next guys in.

As for the product, I’ll take an old fashioned MP3 myself. It’s a bunch of Microsoft digital media licensing.

The founders and senior people are a bunch of arrogant individuals who play the typical cult mentality approach.

A guy with a copy of DotNetNuke and a couple of inexpensive modules could replicate a digital asset download store and further replicate it for an account signup.

Exclusive licensing of music doesn’t exist. Especially for start-ups.

A band is seriously better off using open source tools and the like to sell digital music and downloads without the ongoing cost of the monthy fees for the management console access.

In short, Burnlounge is nothing more than a traditional ecommerce affiliate program like a commission junction or a linkshare account. You promote the click and someone buys, you get paid.

The difference is that Burnlounge charges you big $$ to become an affiliate for something that you can get for free.

Save your money and send traffic to Amazon.com.
On 10/12/06 11:14 PM, Domerini said:

Oh.
On 10/22/06 11:56 PM, Darren said:

Here’s the deal, don’t look at the music downloading side of things yet. Look at it as a business opportunity. The real money to be made is within the next three months, and trust me, I was a skeptic until I signed up. Click the link, watch the commercial(bottom of page where is says Watch the commercial) Go back to web site and click on register then, you choose……Buy music or Sell music. Very simple.
On 10/22/06 11:57 PM, Darren said:

http://www.burnlounge.com/firealarm
On 10/23/06 12:56 AM, Matthew Moore said:

I just read this from top to bottom. My eyes are burning. Why didn’t this thread get deleted again?
On 10/25/06 12:14 PM, Steve M. said:

The idea that artists will get more money selling through BurnLounge than through other digital companies may not be correct. Artists currently net about 58 cents per song from iTunes U.S., and almost 73 cents per song from iTunes Europe and iTunes UK, through the digital distribution plan with CD Baby.
On 10/25/06 2:45 PM, J-rod said:

like in post #161

too many folks will have a site, and the income form the sites will decrease.

Also, how would taxes work in this situation?
On 10/26/06 1:45 AM, Eric Hall said:

Just Do It

http://www.burnlounge.com/RocketMusic
On 10/26/06 2:13 PM, Rachel N. said:

I was actually interested in BurnLounge as a way to promote obscure songs I like and feature on my site and in my web comics. You know, wouldn’t it be great if visitors could buy the very track I’m speaking of and give me a little kick back to keep the site running?

But, I’ve looks all over the Burn Lounge site, and the Flash doesn’t tell you how much it is loading or when it is done. There is very little information. Honestly, it looks like something a grad student put together as part of a business model demonstration. It’s all Flash (literally) and little substance. Where does it tell me how much I can expect to earn on each song sold? Why does it cost to join? Amazon.com’s associate’s program is free! Unless I’m earning all the cash from those downloaded songs, why should I be expected to pay to be a part of what is clearly, from what I am seeing posted in forums and on sites, a clever buzz campaign based on selling absolutely nothing from a site which says little more than, “Give us your money now, and you’ll be rich!”

Can you say, “Taking all the music-lovin’-wannabes for a ride?”

I want to see a real site for this business before I do anything. I want numbers, statistics, and a reason for $30 a year besides some software which could be opensourced and a magazine which no doubt is part of a blitz campaign.

What’s all this about “building teams” anyway? If a bunch of suits in some rural town are “recruiting” and “team building” how is that any different than the bunch of suits in the music industry? What exactly do these “teams” do? Selling music does not require pyramid scheme of “team mates!” It’s the Internet! You don’t need a team! You need a popular site with good traffic and a fan base who trusts your taste in music!

Come on, BurnLounge. You can do better than that. Win me over.
On 10/26/06 2:20 PM, Rachel N. said:

Oh, yeah, and WMA and MP4 are truly a bunch of crap. I have a generic MP3 player. That’s what it plays, and that’s what I buy. Gates and Jobs can keep their monopolizing formatting.

Seriously, though, looking at some of these infomercial-esque posts, I wouldn’t be surprised if BurnLounge pays a group of web monkeys just to scour the Internet looking for anti-BL discussions.
On 10/31/06 4:02 PM, Dave H. said:

I never cease to be amazed at how many people get joy out of trying to encourage failure in other people. Owning a BurnLounge store may very well not be for you and you may buy a store and not make a dime. But the fact that you fail does not diminish the fact that BurnLounge is a great business opportunity.

Reading messages from folks like Matt, Mike, Master and Rachel I am reminded of something a good friend and very successful friend of mine once told me: “When people make a decision not to take advantage of an opportunity they NEVER want to see anyone else succeed at that same opportunity.” Large numbers of very successful people have joined in the BurnLounge business concept and are making money SELLING music as well as Networking. (You know, kinda like Papa John’s Pizza, he sold franchises and made money to people who inturn made money.) I am one of them and am proud to be among the likes of BurnLounge store owners such as Justin Timberlake, Shaquelle O’Neal, MC Lyte, Kanye West, Willie Nelson, The Elvis Presley Estate, Dale Earnhardt Jr., etc. etc………..

And iTunes does not have 80% of the download market…….they have 80% of the current market which amounts to less than 10% of the population. In another couple of years the number of people downloading entertainment will grow exponentially as will the BurnLounge share.

If your reading this blog to make a decision about BurnLounge try contacting someone who is successful as opposed to listening to people who are either ignorant about business or simply unwilling to risk ooooooh a whole $449………..Did I forget, you can own a store for $29 per year….now there’s a really big investment.

check it out: http://www.burnlounge.com/johnx
On 12/13/06 2:10 PM, kreature said:

Yo, if you don’t get BurnLounge, then YDDP.

Out.
On 12/13/06 2:22 PM, Groople said:

that sums it up right there, Kreature.

some people will get BurnLounge and will take advantage of a good opportunity, those who don’t get it will sit on the sidelines, watching and sulking.

the choice is yours…
On 12/13/06 2:23 PM, tinker chavez said:

Hello There,
My name is Tinker I ride for Ydr inc. I Burnlounge and the key to this BurnLounge deal is knowing that you can sell music at a great deal, Get clients to sign up under you so everytime a customer buys music from the Retailers you signed you get paid .2 cents. You will receive 5 cents for every song sold thru your own BurnLounge. The next key is you have to work and get out there and meet potential clients. Nothing comes for free. The next step is the realization of having a local artist which you know send in his music to Burnounge. Imagine your buddies album right next to Justin Timberlake and Willie Nelson’s music. And they get paid and you. Unbelievable. Coffey is another Great example. Others believe it is a pyramid scheme. Professor Griff’s comment was dead on.

A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually without any product or service being delivered. Pyramid schemes have existed for at least a century. Matrix schemes use the same fraudulent non-sustainable system as a pyramid; here, the victims pay to join a waiting list for a desirable product which only a fraction of them can ever receive.

Read this very carefully. Burnlounge is a model created for undeniable success. Get in

Put it this way, Do you think succesful people would BurnLounge-read more.

http://www.burnreview.com/index.htm

I hang with Shaq and Danika Patrick. Do you. IKI
On 12/13/06 4:14 PM, kreature said:

Great post.

It seems like it’s the same 5 people who go around to all the forums posting negative crap about BurnLounge. They use different names, but we all know who they are.

BurnLounge -Are you in?

If you’re not, then YDD, YDDP and YLB

Out.
On 12/14/06 4:07 AM, karl said:

righteous.
On 12/14/06 1:57 PM, Saggin said:

Hi, my name is Joey “Sags” McGee. I don’t ride, but I aspire to learn how someday.

If YDWU, YNK, YNL, YNR
On 12/14/06 2:30 PM, karl said:

i hang with shaq.
On 12/14/06 3:12 PM, Arturro said:

What’s with all this YDD/YDDP stuff?

I think it’s a bunch of B.S.
On 12/14/06 3:34 PM, Scissorlegs said:

I was wondering that to. What is this ydd,yds. Iki was another 1. Please have someone let me know cause IDR
On 12/20/06 1:35 PM, Scissorlegs said:

I believe he who does not work will not make it. Let it be known, you know who I am talking to you clown fishes, work and you will see green, no work = no money and then you pansy asses bitching on this forum like a 2 year old. Get a clue and work. Clown Shoes out.
On 12/20/06 2:06 PM, josh said:

i am in burnlounge and it is bullshit and i knew that going in but theres one person in the world that i would get into this for and so i did. if anyone else brought this to me i would have said no. maybe someday i will post some real numbers on here so people can see the truth of the money that the LARGE MAJORITY will not make. i understand how people can get sucked into it but sit down and do some math. you may be lucky and make a shit load but the people under you are probably gonna lose money. i have done enough math to figure this out, and by the way you don’t have to go very far to see that. this is a real guess but maybe 5 MAYBE 10 % will make back there investment plus make a profit. you make money by getting people “under” you, not selling music. that is the sad truth from someone who is in it. anyone tells you otherwise is wrong, i’m sorry. i don’t think the owners are greedy evil people. in fact, everything i’ve heard about them(from people who have sat down and had meetings with them) say how genuine and motivated they are about the company. I’m not trying to put down the company, i wish them success. I mean, i ‘ve got money in this thing too! the only thing that bothers me would be people with not alot of extra cash, maybe even charging the fees (me), thinking this is gonna be “extra grocery money” as one burnlounge rep put it. that was part of the schpeel. saying it can be anywhere from extra grocery money to a full-time money making beast. if you don’t have the money to throw away, i would suggest you not get involved, being your chances of making that money back are slim. if you do happen to make your money back and some, your friends underneath you will be a bit upset ( like me and the 7 or 8 under me that i’m sure will never even make back there startup costs. burnlounge says we’re unmotivated? i own my own home-improvement business so motivation is not the issue here. It just won’t work for most people. Bypass the flashy ads and what people say “so and so” made and do the math. I believe you will agree. Sorry.
On 12/20/06 2:13 PM, Scissorlegs said:

You are not a people person, why is that Shaq is making money everyday. He sells music, His own and other’s. People listen to music everyday, they will buy music from you if you open your mouth. Get off the couch and realize the situation, otherwise put on a beer belly barn dog.
On 12/20/06 2:56 PM, Bob MyKnob said:

Hello there, does anyone have a store where I can sign up under. I look forward to hearing from you. Have a great day!
On 12/20/06 4:40 PM, Steve said:

I have a store and you can sign up under me. It’s http://www.burnlounge.com/ocmusicmoguls

Call me with any questions.
On 12/20/06 5:22 PM, Rob said:

Does anyone know where I can find quick weight loss products?

Oops, wrong ponzi scheme.
On 12/21/06 12:26 PM, Brian said:

Hi,
I was wondering where I get some client’s for weight loss products, my company is http://www.ydr.ydd.iki/httperror
On 12/21/06 12:35 PM, Rob said:

Great success!
On 12/21/06 1:21 PM, BigMupla (eric) said:

I sell drugs for a living and I have many runners under me, it is kind of a pyrmid scheme I will admit but if you are looking for a get rich quick scheme I pay way better than any MLM. You can chose to run Coke or weed, or even Extacy. You can also choose to run local runs or if you have your class A or B certification I will pay more if you can make some runs from mexico. Please understand that this tends to be illegal in most states but the money is there. Leave your e-mail address and I will let you know of all of the exiciting opertunities that are availble for running drugs. I also teach classes so you to can become a drug lord.

Hope to hear from yall soon.
On 12/21/06 1:33 PM, Lawson said:

I would love to run drugs for you, maybe even jog. But can you just give me money for free. Like these clowns in burnlounge who think they can sit at home and spank the chicken. Get a clue barney rick cane lover. Work on your tan if anything, scrub it kook. HAHA your scared sonny bono lover, hush buking hobo lover
On 12/22/06 12:41 PM, Javid Jamae said:

Here are my thoughts:
http://www.3drweb.com/2006/12/hey-mom-buy-your-music-from-me.html
On 12/23/06 8:52 PM, Emanuel said:

I truly hope you have done a bit more digging regarding the ipod BS. With a VERY simple step you may load your tunes there.. Brace yourselves for the 2.o Version!!!! Burnlounge is the best thing since Bread and Butter.. I hope you will really see it, and get it instead of sitting on your couch negating it! It is my Babies store when I am gone!
On 12/23/06 8:56 PM, Emanuel said:

Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb DUUUUMMMMBBBB ass.
On 12/26/06 11:50 AM, Lawson said:

Attn Javid Jamae Dont waste your time writing posts and sell some music clown shoes, you just bitch at the world and that is why you suk at sales bakers dozen. http://www.youareamexicantrannylover.net
On 12/26/06 12:55 PM, Dr. Gigglez said:

Allo. I am French rapper artist and Im am new to the America. I raced alongside Lances Armsarestrong as well as Scott Peterson. Im am very famous in mine country. Can anyone tell me am where can find hooker? Perhaps one which smells of Ape feces?

Breakdancing 4 ever. Peace in.
On 12/26/06 1:25 PM, Johnny teabags said:

Welcome all,
I am a scandanavian belloy dancer, how do I burnlounge. Do I sit in a lounge chair and burn or just hope a monket comes by and shits on me. Please advise so I can pursue my passion of boning.
On 12/26/06 1:30 PM, Zuppo said:

Hey, I’m taking quite a bit of offense to the slurs against clowns on this site. I happen to work for Barney and Bailey circus as a “clown”, however we prefer the term “painted performance artists”. Sure, we might all be a bunch of drunks who sleep with animals and live off funnel cake, but that does not give anyone the right to use offensive slurs such as “clown shoes” or “clown fish” or even “gay porn mustache”. All I’m asking for is equality here. Please, think before you laugh.
On 12/26/06 1:36 PM, Puto Cabrone said:

In regards to the response above,
I am also offended to this talk about clown shoes, I am a black rap artist/pimp and I love clown shoes. My feet are big so I need to wear shoes that fit clowns. I am 5′4 and have big feet. I also have three cheeseburgers stuffed in my ass along with a sushi roll and rice patty. Please advise on how I can turn this into a pyramid scheme. I also need help with washing my nuts, I just picked up a lb of cashews from Jose Decanseta down in S.A. Please advise on how I can also work, cause everyone that bitches on this forum is busy cryin like my 3 year old and not profiting. Stop the pirating and start working you great dane lover.
On 12/26/06 4:26 PM, Local Beaver Hunter said:

Who is this clam bake that is posting all this crap, come on ya all I am a texas songwriter here for work, anyone know where I can post my ding dong song, my name is guther the second minus the nose add the rice plus green beans. Also, I saw a post above from kreature, i heard that guy works alot and has beaver outings at least once a day, crazy like crazy brea from little caesars. here is my site if anyone can assist. http://www.getoffthecouchandwork.com/httperror/net
On 12/27/06 4:17 PM, Terence said:

What happened to this site? I used to come here for intelligent conversation. Now all I see are posts from people who claim to be French and Middle Eastern Rappers talking about clowns, Mexican trannys, clam bakes and birth canals.

For real guys, lets get some real posts on this forum.
On 12/27/06 6:16 PM, Local Beaver Hunter said:

terence, get a clue, get a job and get laid you taco bell lovin rice aroni smel egg clam diggin hobo rick cane lover
On 12/27/06 6:16 PM, Local Beaver Hunter said:

terence, get a clue, get a job and get laid you taco bell lovin rice aroni smel egg clam diggin hobo rick cane lover
On 01/15/07 2:16 AM, burnlounge alliance said:

Just check this site for INTELLIGENT information about the BurnLounge opportunity and how it will revolutionize the future of digital content delivery.

http://www.burnloungealliance.net
On 01/16/07 2:59 PM, M. Elsevier said:

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but give it a rest will you. Some of us have an entrepreneurial spirit and some people want the security of having someone else tell them what to do. Nothing to be ashamed about either way. Google had it’s skeptics as did Microsoft, I-Tunes and all the others. Those of us that believe in the product of music know we don’t have to focus on it. It sells itself. Since we are a new company, building the business is the most important thing. Once we have the market, then we can concentrate on the product. Until then, if you are not sure or completely against any kind of market except your own, just sit back and watch the show. Because someone is getting a slice of a Billion Dollar industry, and it won’t be the skeptics!
On 01/16/07 3:18 PM, Rob said:

Don’t you know that there’s a new thread about this topic? If you’re a self-motivated opportunist (not a skeptic), check out the link on the left sidebar for the Public Enemy/Burnlounge topic. That’ll show the haters what they’re missing.
On 01/16/07 5:11 PM, lid said:

i love how those on board talk about this as if it’s the only way to make money, or the only business to run.

i run a few businesses, and some make money, and some don’t. all i know is that one who knows how to make money in business is not one that jumps aboard every potential promising opportunity.

and those that are foolish enough to drop all their eggs and focus on one sole new egg will soon find themselves with only an empty basket and some sour splatter to deal with.
On 01/16/07 7:10 PM, nick said:

>>Google had it’s skeptics as did Microsoft, I-Tunes and all the others.

Really? Name someone, who knew anything at the time, that was skeptical of Google?
On 01/24/07 11:35 AM, Mark Haole said:

>>Really? Name someone, who knew anything at the time, that was skeptical of Google
On 01/24/07 12:59 PM, dICK 4 LESS said:

hELLO,
ANYONE LOOKING FOR A GREAT PYRAMID SCHEME.
On 01/24/07 5:50 PM, Mark Haole said:

You know who was skeptical of Google when it first came out? Rick Cane. What? You mean you don’t know who Rick Cane is? …EXAAAAAACTLY!!!!!
On 01/24/07 5:55 PM, dICK 4 LESS said:

rick was only skeptical of chandler bra minus the panties
On 01/25/07 12:00 PM, tinker chavez said:

Hi there,
I am a retired mountain bike racer from Downey and wat to get in on this , Bigger than ever. B.L. CASTING COUCH oppurtunity. Call asap
On 01/25/07 6:41 PM, tinker chavez said:

can anyone help my back end is hurting.
On 01/25/07 7:38 PM, J.J. said:

This thread has lost all redeeming value. Burn it. Please.
On 01/30/07 1:55 PM, tinker chavez said:

ydr
On 01/30/07 4:24 PM, jessica said:

Joel, Hillary and I had a threesome. It was pretty raunchy. We were listening to our ipods the whole time. Mainly stuff like New Order and Joy Division.
On 01/31/07 3:30 PM, Johnny teabags said:

Me and tinker had a fivesome and listened to reggae and snoop watched peace in the middle east style
On 02/2/07 4:12 PM, Mark Haole said:

I remember when Rick Cane and I double teamed this chick, Super Mario Brothers style. I gave her the “One-Up Mushroom print” on her face while I listened to “Heartbeat it’s a Love Beat” by Litttle Tony DeFranco and the DeFranco Family. Rick Cane the busted out something I’ve never seen before. A real life Rusty Trombone! Man that Rick Cane, eh, he’s the guy!
On 02/8/07 5:30 PM, Jeffrey said:

BurnLounge, Burn Lounge, Digital downloads.
Burnlounge has a really vision for this industry. If you haven’t checked it out, you need to.
On 03/25/07 9:45 PM, Anyone said:

1) The iPod can play ANY mp3 – IT is not the closed system. Windows DRM is the closed system, which means that burnlounge is purposely making files that are unplayable on the ipod because they chose to go with the cheap copy-protected formula
2) As long as there is drm on the file, the big music companies will let ANYONE sell the music, they don’t consider it a “partnership” – burnlounge is not “special”
3) The ipod was NOT first – it was the best. There were a dozen or so other music players out before the ipod. The fact is that the 80% of all music players sold are ipods. Not the other way around. Yes there mabye 40 other music players being sold, comprising 80% of the models, but all those 40 players sales add up to less than 20% of the players sold.
On 04/19/07 4:58 PM, Otis SpankMeir said:

BurnLounge,

Nothing else to say other that bye bye bye stevo jobs
On 04/25/07 5:47 PM, Wayne McClean said:

Hey Free Music store:

Please go to http://www.burnlounge.com/whistlercanada to get your FREE store.

So, what exactly is a FreeStore?

Excellent question.

There are two substantive differences between a FreeStore and your Store:

BurnLounge Free Retailers cannot redeem their BurnRewards points for cash.
There is less customization available in a FreeStore.
I assume your next question is: How do I make money from a FreeStore?

Another great question!

As a paid BurnLounge Retailer, you earn from Free Retailers in three ways:

You earn the same commission structure on product sales. Whether from music, movies, or software – you earn exactly the same amount as you would from a paid Retailer on your team.
You earn from any advertising revenue that is generated from not only their Store, but also their BurnPage. Process that information for a moment. You now have the same business model as MySpace. You earn ad revenue from every community page and Store in your network.
Finally, you earn product commissions and Mogul bonuses when a Free Retailer upgrades to a paid package. Why would they upgrade? Simple. Every Free Retailer has an account summary page where they see how many BurnRewards points they have earned. From that page they will clearly see that by not having one of the paid BurnLounge packages, they are leaving real money on the table. It is the ultimate marketing pitch. Don’t just tell them they can earn. Show them!
So there it is. BurnLounge is free. The market opportunity for this product is massive. The entire MySpace community was built on the back of indie bands and their fans hooking up to talk about music. What started with a few bands and fans turned into 125 million members in just a couple short years.
Now all of those people can actually profit from doing what they already do!
It’s a cool environment and a way to receive compensation for selling music and movies to your friends. And it’s free!

That is a product that anyone can sell.
On 09/7/07 10:15 PM, sopitikoj said:

Hello

Nice! Many thanks, easy to find helpful information. Good work.

G’night
On 09/21/07 1:57 AM, Houdini said:

Here’s what’s been happening at BurnLounge over the last few months.

FTC files suit. Juan “Alex” Arnold resigns as CEO of BurnLounge. Change in business model.

August 24th – All BurnLounge employees are laid off.

BurnLounge has failed to pay it’s former employees their last earned wages. Supposedly, there is no money in the company as of right now.

Ryan Dadd and Stephen Murray are no longer with BurnLounge. They have left to pursue interests in another company that they created called “RevImage”.
On 09/21/07 3:57 PM, lokimikoj said:

Hi

i’am really impressed!!
On 11/3/07 3:24 PM, Cube said:

Wow… everyone who has a Burnscam “store” please check it now and post what you see.

I hate to say we told you so, but…