Pearl Jam Censored By AT&T?
Did AT&T censor Pearl Jams webcast from Lollapalooza?
“… Pearl Jam segued into a portion of Pink Floyd’s “Another Brick in the Wall,” during which frontman Eddie Vedder sang, “George Bush, leave this world alone” and “George Bush, find yourself another home.” Those lyrics were missing from the broadcast.”
AT&T is saying, “naw, we’re cool. It was a mistake!”, while internet watchdog groups are crying censorship.
89 Responses to “Pearl Jam Censored By AT&T?”
-
On 08/10/07 12:38 PM, Jason said:
Hahaha a mistake?
-
On 08/10/07 12:57 PM, sammy said:
You can’t hold Pearl Jam down. They just won’t do any webcasts for the next 10 years.
-
On 08/10/07 1:30 PM, Seth Werkheiser said:
man, to think a private company would bleep whatever the heck it wants. What right do they have?!?! Oh wait… they have every right to. Even though they said they didn’t. What ev.
-
On 08/10/07 2:43 PM, you said:
at&t knows everything about you, especially if you have an i-phone
-
On 08/10/07 2:50 PM, andy said:
Yeah um, pretty sure they’re a private business. They can censor whatever the hell they want!
-
On 08/10/07 3:14 PM, Seth Werkheiser said:
come on - corporate sponsorships is GOOD for music! Haven’t you seen the new Circuit City commercial with FALL OUT BOY?!?! OMG!
-
On 08/10/07 3:32 PM, buddy said:
*this post has been censored*
-
On 08/10/07 4:09 PM, tAlex said:
Am I the only one who doesn’t think this is a big deal?
This is making headlines all over the country/internet.
-
On 08/10/07 7:13 PM, sleepy said:
the sad thing is that extol broke up and pearl jam just won’t go away…
-
On 08/10/07 7:51 PM, Artist General said:
An “Isn’t that $pecial Thanks” to Hou$e Bushelzebub!
TOADIE$ IN OUR FACE
(to the tune of “Riders on the Storm” / The Doors)
Toadies in our Face
toadie$ in our face
into this loss were borne
into this mess were thrown
like a dog-all laced to “place”
for Poodle Best of $how
~Toadies in our FaceThere’s a Mogul of our News
his brain is $quirmin’ with a Load
take a long Folly-day
let your boardrooms Play
if ya give this man a Ride
Free Idea will Die
Killer on the Road, yeahHey! ya gotta hate their plan
Man ya gotta Hate their Plan
tell it ‘cross the Land
Till All Understand
The Way on US Depends
“Free!” must never end
Hey! ya gotta Hate Their PlanNoW!
Toadies in our Face
toadie$ in our face
into this loss were borne
into this mess were thrown
like a dog-all laced to “place”
for Poodle Be$t of Shhow
Toadies in our Face -
On 08/10/07 11:37 PM, dake said:
tAlex- i’m with you on this. anyone who’s surprised when corporate america censors or messes with content to make it less offensive to the general public is living in their own private idaho.
sort of funny now that all these bands spent all these years sucking up to big companies for sponsorships, etc just to realize they’re in bed with a monster.
-
On 08/11/07 2:03 AM, Artist General said:
P.S.! (For Ba$e Elite GOPetered Principle Bohemian Grovers Only)
New Headliners for The Bludshed! (Main $tage)
RUSH LIMBGNAW & THE ANAL CYSTURS
Plus!!!!!! QUAG MYRE & THE MINISTRY OF WHAT IT’S NOT ABOUT…FAUSTIAN SOLDYUR$, due to last week’s untimely death (blogs are reporting it as premature rapturing) of lead singer / rightwing bornagain Noah Taul– had to cancel…
(R.S.V.S.P.)
-
On 08/11/07 2:08 AM, Tim O. said:
yeah, this is no surprise and no big deal. ever heard of Clean versions of CDs? now, if the CIA has Eddie Vedder killed because of this, then we can cry censorship and fascists, etc.
-
On 08/11/07 10:33 AM, Levi said:
AT&T? Come on, with the political things they support why on earth would they censor anti-Bush sentiment? I mean, personally, I think Vedder should have kept his mouth shut, but I’m surprised AT&T (of all people) would shut it for him.
-
On 08/11/07 10:43 AM, andy said:
My only problem with this as a Libertarian is the idea that a “watchdog group” actually is pressuring a private business. AT&T has every right to censor whatever the hell they want. It’s their business. It’s not government. It’s not like it was a state sponsored broadcast.
-
On 08/11/07 11:05 AM, you said:
at&t has a deal with the bush administration for domestic spying
-
On 08/11/07 9:38 PM, dangerTIM said:
I’m somewhat confused by Artist General……….
…..a lot confused
-
On 08/11/07 11:17 PM, Artist General said:
2dangerTIM…
it’s called…”Satire”…ever watch the Daily Show? Stephen Colbert? Saturday Night Live? If you’re a wingnut, don’t bother. You weren’t meant to “understand”. You’re here, in that case, to simple-mindedly adore your ‘Heckajob Doo$ier DaddyKing” –the Supreme Turd Zombie of the Modurn World, The DUHCIDER by his own Sayso, GEORGE W. BUSH. Dang!
will this post make it now? -
On 08/11/07 11:17 PM, Artist General said:
2dangerTIM…
it’s called…”Satire”…ever watch the Daily Show? Stephen Colbert? Saturday Night Live? If you’re a wingnut, don’t bother. You weren’t meant to “understand”. You’re here, in that case, to simple-mindedly adore your ‘Heckajob Doo$ier DaddyKing” –the Supreme Turd Zombie of the Modurn World, The DUHCIDER by his own Sayso, GEORGE W. BUSH. Dang!
will this post make it now? -
On 08/12/07 1:26 AM, Levi said:
I thought for sure it was just spam
-
On 08/12/07 6:51 AM, Artist General said:
2Levi…nahh; you’re neoconfusing satire with delusionally ‘deliberate’ self-caricature of powers-that-be in bed w/ the devil, and sodomizing ‘im @ that (i.e. givin’ ‘im Empty Head) [EH, not to be confused with ED] that BushCheney, for example, having begun their dark-siding up$uckery as far less indeed than “better angels” of our national nature, are in bitter fact chickenhawkin’ WARgoons of SPAM (Suddenly Pathetic American Mission)–of the most demonstrably ba$e elite sort, causing “bladder-control” issues in the political “opposition” and effectively unchecked by MSM –measurably aided by the steady release of a ‘toadyizing vapor’ that dulls the urge to ‘confrontate’ and in fact actually mesmerizizes right-wing brainstemmers, dittoheads, Very Deceived “Elect” etc, into full-on BELIEVIN’ that this Nation has Great Leadership Thank You Jesus! And Jesus? you don’t need to tell us to “know them by their fruits”, okay? It’s not Your fault, but–with all due adoration, etc, that’s, well, the Vice Precedent Himself calls it… “Pre-911″ thinking… You, Your Word, Your “Way”–(or What, the Highway?)well, hey, we’re GRATEFUL to You, we ARE–and– have Taken and will happily neocontinue taking what we can use of the Bible–THE POST NINE-ELEVENY STUFF… Trust us, we’ll get around to helpin’ the Poor & $queezing Peace w/ Honor from a War with neither in mind from the very beginning…after we Beat the Terrorists.
-
On 08/12/07 8:21 AM, Jay DiNitto said:
Artist General, I think stray Zionist Hair Rays® are have been hitting you.
-
On 08/12/07 9:40 AM, Artist General said:
Jay D…Are have not been hittin’ me dood. I.e., Not ME who’s “huffin” …swampgas from Hou$e Bushelzebub. It’s how the Right $tays Hard’s what I’m hearin’. Hell’s Cherub (aka, “Bush’s Brain”, “Turd Blossom”, “Karl Rove”) is Jeff Gannon’s TopRider–you GOPeezers remember him, don’t ya? well, this just in: Root-of-all-Evilist Cheney puts a strap-on backwards when Liagra fails–it one way to launch a ‘war’ o’ choice. As for Dubya? Even the Devil’s run outta pillow talk; now he whispers in the Duhcider’s ear, “do my will, stay the course, history will make a lion of you, my champion!” Meanwhile, Gannon’s eyes meet the Cherub’s, and he knows in that brownish, sodden moment: there will be no “rapture” for the Gipper. Just the opposite. And thensome. A gnashing that will seem for all the lost world like Forever…up close & so personal! Hobin Rood, of Hou$e Bushelzebub, $tealin’ from the Poor, Givin’ to the RICH. A long Day @ the Beach awaits then! Google: Lake o’ Fire. Enjoy your $tay, Mammon$ucker$!
-
On 08/12/07 9:53 AM, sleepy said:
yeah! what he^ said!
-
On 08/12/07 2:24 PM, Jay DiNitto said:
I’ll have whatever Artist General is having, please.
-
On 08/12/07 4:24 PM, Artist General said:
You can handle the TRUTH, JayD? (Who KNEW?)Comin’ @ ya then. Glass-Half-Fuller kinda guy, jus-like-the-Duhcider? but uh-oh–when the glass is in fact a Bitter Cup, the opti-is actually PESiMissed. It’s BONEdry in Hell per se of course; & in “PurgaTORY”–you don’t bring it on with “Bottom’s UP!” P.S. Keep Your Eye on the Vice Precedent! (He’s goin’ DOWN)…RightWingNuttery can try reaching him and/or henchfolk at the following here2-4 “undisclosed” email addresses:
WE-Got-Your-Numbrr@TooCleverByPoint666 / LIEagra_PortfolioSkeleton$.SkullduggeredBoner,
Bring-emOn @Raytheon&Dragon$kin/TrooPuppeeLuvSTRUK / HillbillyARMORY.MyPetGoat$HeadSUPERpower,
REDIncRISING@BillowHeily/NotSeeNew$.Con,WARPhari$ees-4-Jesus@WHAT-the-Flux-WRONG w/ thi$PICKchur.DUH,
FREEDOMburning@FAUSTIAN-SOLDYUR$.Mom&AppullPyroMania/ PRESSPASS.PhucketBrigade
-
On 08/12/07 5:47 PM, Jay DiNitto said:
*polite silence*
-
On 08/12/07 6:46 PM, Karsia_Dave said:
AT&T is one of the largest corperations in the country (not just a phone company)& has more watchdog groups trying to get the government to break it apart then any other company (almost). It is said AT&T has more lobbyist then Wal-mart, which is pretty incredible. If you take those variables into consideration, it should be no surprise Pearl Jam was silenced, but Im with Seth W, who gives a shit, You’re playing at their Arena, would you expect any less?
-
On 08/13/07 12:25 AM, Artist General said:
“Perfect”.
-
On 08/13/07 2:19 AM, Artist General said:
HIT THE ROAD GEORGE
Hit the road George
and don’t you come back no more no war no Endless War
Hit the road George!
and don’t-yer-Party come back for moreWoah People, oh folks, don’t treat us so mean,
You’re the meanest old Nation that I’ve ever seen.
I guess if you said so
I’d have to pack my thing$ and go. (That’s right)Hit the Road George
and don’t-yer Party come back no more no more for Endless War
hit the road GeorgeWhat you Say?!
Hit the Road George & don’t you come back for more no more no Endless War
Hit the Road George & don’t-ya come back for more no more no more for MoreNow people, listen folks don’t ya treat me this-a way
cause I’ll be back from defeat someday(cursed if you do ’cause it’s understood
you ain’t got clean money you just ain’t no GOOD)
Well I guess if you say so
I’d have to pack my thing$ & go (that’s right)Hit the road George
and don’t you come back no more no more no Endless War
Hit the road George
and don’t you come back for moreWell
(don’t you come back no more)
Uh, what you say?
(IMPeach…)
I didn’t understand you…
(don’t you come back for more)
You can’t mean that…
(don’t you come back no more)
what you tryin’ to do to me
(don’t you come-back for more)
O don’t treat me like that(you & yours…the whole sorry lotta ya! the Vice Precedent…Turd Blossom…the PNAC Gallery…GOPeteredPrinciple ChickenHawkius Wrexus…Coup Clux Clanners…Root-of-all-Evilists…Faustian Soldyur$…Backboneless BadApple “Democrats”
O Yeah, BIGtime–there’s the Bloody RUB!
TOLDya-so America: …Green Thumb$-Up$uckers ALL
…of Hou$e Bushelzebub…don’t ya come back no more)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
SET IT FREE
When we find ourselves in Crimes of Warfare, Phatcat Cheney comes to $ee,
speaking words of wi$dumb, let it be
and in this hour of darkness he is standing right in front of me
speaking words on YouTube, let it be…let it be, let it be Iran now can’t-choo-$ee
whispurred word$ to Dubya, let it beLet it be, let it be, Irannow don’t-choo-$ee
Whi$purred words of Phatcat, “$et it free”…And if the broken hearted people living there agree,
occupation’s not the answer, let it be.
For though they may be jaded there is still a chance that they will see,
Jesus want$ their Oil “Free”, sow “let it be”.Let it be, $et it Free…
And though Iraq is “Cloudy”, there is still IRAN, that shines for me,
shine until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the $ound of Chao$, brother Cheney comes to me,
speaking words of Warjone$, let it be.Let it be, $et it Free…..
-
On 08/13/07 8:21 AM, andy said:
I can’t read posts that don’t use letters to spell words.
-
On 08/13/07 8:38 AM, tAlex said:
“I can’t read posts that don’t use letters to spell words.”
For real. I wish someone would create a translation software to decode the stupid new text lingo (ie: ur=your ne1=anyone, for more examples see any MCR thread).
-
On 08/13/07 9:50 AM, sammy said:
With AT&T doing something like a webcast, I’m not sure that they’re-a-private-company-and-can-do-whatever-the-hell-they-want rules apply. Because obviously they’ve made some sort of deal with Lollapalooza that Pearl Jam has also agreed to.
-
On 08/13/07 10:26 AM, andy said:
Uh yeah those rules still apply. Unless AT&T had a contract that said, “we will not censor anything”, they have every right to censor what they deem as “inappropriate” whether it really is or not. It’s their company. It’s their webcast. It’s their right as a business.
-
On 08/13/07 11:58 AM, sammy said:
Well, regardless of the situation, it makes AT&T look bad.
-
On 08/13/07 12:01 PM, sammy said:
It’s more a bigger deal of corporations basically taking over the media, especially concerns about the internet, and AT&T is right in the middle of it all. Read more on Net Neutrality and you’ll see why all the watchdog groups are up in arms.
-
On 08/13/07 12:03 PM, andy said:
Yeah I agree about AT&T looking bad. Companies shoot themselves in the foot when they do this stuff.
-
On 08/13/07 12:06 PM, andy said:
Oh and btw, Artist General…
“A Modest Proposal” was satire. Jonathan Swift would take a $hit on that dribble you posted.
-
On 08/13/07 3:02 PM, Artist General said:
Oh Andy come on…there’s TREATMENT for Simplemindosis–even the extreme (your case?) gran mal Bushupsuckria. On average, how many Bushupsucks do you perform per week? and, do you like Dick too?
-
On 08/13/07 3:05 PM, Artist General said:
By-Their-Fruits @ BadApplePiety_OverDueDiligence_.Connexia
“…STAY IN THE COUR$E…”
Jesus would…a MAZE in
“Grace”
(Keep Our $ecret!)
Watch Your Step
…There’s
Broken “Promises”
…”all over the place”…
-
On 08/13/07 3:09 PM, Jay DiNitto said:
Alright. So if you disagree with Artist General:
1- You’re probably simpleminded, and
2- you must be supporting Bush/Cheney fanatic.I don’t know, andy, that fits you like a T.
-
On 08/13/07 3:15 PM, Artist General said:
ARTIST GENERAL’S WARNING: When Dissent blinks, democracy Stumbles…
-
On 08/13/07 6:04 PM, andy said:
Hmm. I discuss 18th century Irish literature and you type with dollar signs and incomplete words, misspellings and pour punctuality.
I don’t think I’m the one suffering from “simplemindosis”. Or is that “$implemindo$!$”?
Read a book.
-
On 08/14/07 1:55 AM, Artist General said:
GeezuzzzHthrice andy–read a book? ‘mean like the Duhcider read “while America was under ATTACK” –uh, the Pet Goat Scape, as hell itself had it! “Pour” punctuality? er, is that Olde Englush Spullin’? Nice. Don’t stop now! You’re on a Fool’s Roll YO!
-
On 08/14/07 8:04 AM, sammy said:
“Pour” ahahahaha…that is awesome.
-
On 08/14/07 8:10 AM, andy said:
Well it’s spelled right, it’s just the wrong word usage. God forbid there are typos.
I don’t see how $#$$$$(#)$*(#()($UI can be a typo though.
…and why is it that whenever someone one-ups you, you keep talking about the Duhcider? As if somehow it’s relevant and it proves your point?
Poor form. POOR form.
-
On 08/14/07 9:25 AM, Jay DiNitto said:
andy, just admit Bush is Satan/Hitler, and it will all be settled. Gosh, everyone else does it.
-
On 08/14/07 9:43 AM, andy said:
I never even said anything about “Bu$h”! This “pour” (sorry…it was kind of funny!) guy comes on and types these big long posts that look like spam or something out of a MCR thread telling US we’re simpletons. Hilarious!
-
On 08/14/07 10:46 AM, Levi said:
I still think it’s spam.
-
On 08/14/07 2:47 PM, Artist General said:
All RITE yall–eNUFF! This is DA$ Booty Camp, GOPeezurs. Break’s OVER! JayD, andy, Levi! we’re inna Kulchur War here. Don’t waste yur blowz on ’straw men’. Now each uh ya: Dogma-Style! 50 in-public Bushupsucks and 10 Dickups each! 2B followed by 10 laps @ the brownrim, then showers in the Blud$hed! chopchop!!
-
On 08/14/07 3:25 PM, Jay DiNitto said:
Calling you incoherent and goofy isn’t a strawman attack when you’re actually incoherent and goofy.
-
On 08/14/07 3:43 PM, sammy said:
He’s actually pretty coherent. He just called for 10 Dickups.
-
On 08/14/07 4:34 PM, andy said:
I can’t read any of it. Too much (or is that 2mch?) satire for me.
Jonathan Swift man. Read Jonathan Swift. Then you can attempt satire.
Books are these square objects, much like your lap top. The difference is you’ll have to learn like, letters and stuff. I mean, u can lrn letter$ on a cumputor butt their r now $ in$tead of S’s in tem. know go do your bu$hup$
-
On 08/14/07 5:50 PM, Ordacus said:
Well if you are actually an intellectual, like andy seems to be, I think you are not doing the proper research, do you know who The Artist General is?
Google him!
Also, the Artist General, is not also a world renowned musician but a very well known poet, his work can be seen in the preface of many Nobel laureates, and plenty of newspapers around the country (USA).Yes, they are coded, they look like spam, but if you read books and watch the news, and actually put time into them you’ll find as many of big time newspaper editors, that his stuff is brilliant, and that his message is for the good of all Humanity… starting with your imagination…. got any ?
-
On 08/14/07 7:26 PM, Jordan Drake said:
I looked up the artist general.. and i don’t believe for one second that the person posting is that man at all…. especially if you compare their poetry back the back… the one posting here is a complete idiot.. and why would such renowned musician be posting on buzzgrinder… i’m sure such a man has much better things to do then post silly and un-intelligent posts to a thread about pearl jam.
and personally i think the whole song should have been on mute, so that no one could hear pearl jam butcher a classic song and add really really dumb lyrics to it. the political content doesn’t bother me… but you just aren’t supposed to do that to a pink floyd song.
-
On 08/14/07 7:57 PM, Master-Bates-Motel said:
Sounds like a backyard BJ too me.
-
On 08/14/07 10:10 PM, This Is My Real Name said:
I can vouch for this being the Artist General as I’ve read his quality informed rants in different forms as well as in person on the street. He must’ve dropped by here to remind visiting flaghumpers (not to be confused with quasi-academics taking themselves too seriously) that the US Constitution is not Bush43’s doormat.
Remember when meat is properly inspected, the terrorists win! All oversight functions must be sandbagged and blinded by cronie appointments. Right? Hell no and can’t wait for the collective pulling of the nation’s head out of the nation’s ass.
I got this link out of contrast so if it’s all about music, well hooray. Catch the Pearl Jam reference on Porcupine Tree’s new album - Fear Of A Blank Planet. Great stuff that band. Peace Out
-
On 08/15/07 12:32 AM, Ordacus said:
He is not the same guy??, (www.artistgeneral.com), I don’t know… man, maybe you are right, but honestly, how do you know that?
-
On 08/15/07 8:02 AM, Howard said:
Artist General: Percussion Master or Witty Pun Guy? YOU DECIDE!
Good gawd, I sure hope Al and Tipper Gore come to save us from all this censorship.
I mean, every time I think of MLK being shot dead in front of his motel room… or Matthew Shepard being beaten and left to die… James Byrd of Jasper, TX being dragged behind a pickup truck until his jaw came off of his face… entire generations of people being slaughtered and buried in mass graves during ethnic cleansing…
I think of Eddie Vedder, courageously cramming the awe-inspiring-eye-opening-epiphany-catalyst-political-equivalent to “Cops Suck” into a Pink Floyd song.Now that’s progress!
-
On 08/15/07 8:06 AM, Jay DiNitto said:
I can vouch for this being the Artist General as I’ve read his quality informed rants in different forms as well as in person on the street.
Someone who equates a president with Satan, or frames an administration as the absolute worst ever is definitely not well informed. That’s just agitprop bullsh*t. It comes from centrists and conservatives plenty (like when Clinton was in office), but the left pees it out like water.
No take seriously ever.
-
On 08/15/07 8:30 AM, Ordacus said:
Actually Jay, I don’t think I can actually describe this president much better that what the Artist General said…. I mean, only people that support this president either have a lot of corporate money, or well they are just a whole bunch of “chicken hawks” idiots, I mean can you mention one thing this president has done good to my country?, (I don’t know if you are in the US).
Because from a president like this one, that uses the word of Jesus Christ to take our children to a war that has created more violence and hatred toward us….. well my friend I see the work of the devil there, and I’m not talking about Iron Maiden or Judas Priest….
ps: I’m a conservative and I support my country, first and for most, and as a true American
(fought in Vietnam in 71) I always ask simple ( straight to the point) questions, to those that suppose to represent me, because if I just followed blindly, I will be just a fool. -
On 08/15/07 8:50 AM, Jay DiNitto said:
I mean, only people that support this president either have a lot of corporate money, or well they are just a whole bunch of “chicken hawks” idiots,
Are you serious?
I mean can you mention one thing this president has done good to my country?,
tax cuts
improving economy after 9/11
foiled terrorist attacks in US
dead terroriststhat uses the word of Jesus Christ to take our children to a war
I’ve never heard him use religious grounds for Iraq/War on terror.
It sounds like you need to get rid of the agitprop logic (”chickenhawk”, “corporations”, etc.) and form some real arguments. I don’t like Bush that much (leaking borders, Saudi prince butt-slapping, etc), but I don’t think he’s as terrible as some talking heads make him out to be.
-
On 08/15/07 3:01 PM, sammy said:
I wouldn’t be so quick to put tax cuts in the good category.
And Pearl Jam is my favorite band, but unlike fans of other bands, us Pearl Jam fans can take the criticism. -
On 08/15/07 3:09 PM, andy said:
Tax cuts are good only if you pair it with a decrease in spending.
Tax hikes are ALWAYS bad.
We need to cut government spending in half, cut taxes, do away with all socialized welfare and rely on privatized charities and privatized social security, THEN start paying off the national debt.
Of course this sort of Libertarian thinking will never win an election because it forces everyone to sacrifice and requires personal responsibility from both the Government and the citizens.
If a band started preaching THAT message, then I’d be all about politics and music. Unfortunately it’s mostly just socialist propoganda being spewed from the stages mostly. “Social justice means free government handouts!”
-
On 08/15/07 4:20 PM, Ordacus said:
I can see you are either a fellow with a lot of corporate money or a chicken hawk idiot….
let me tell you how old are you?
because if you are under 40, you can still enlist, and go fight for your country, instead of sitting in front of a computer, saying the most stupid things, one after another, TAx cuts!!!!?
This country has gone to the crapper, because of a war that was jumped into with out a proper study or political diplomacy, and I’m not talking about afganistan, were the major terrorist are still at large, Iraq was a war for OIL and power, nothing else, killing thousand of people with out remorse, and yes Bush uses the word of god all the time, even when he says “god bless america”Let me tell you moronic child, Jesus has never said go kill your enemies, he gave the other chick, instead of building bombs we should off go tehre ( Iraq) and build houses for the people, give them things ( education, better health care, etc etc)
You are just talking form your couch, supporting people like Pat Robertson, pointing the finger on people that has nothing to do with terrorism and wish to Killed them…..
Have you been ever to the middle east? or to Iraq, or Afghanistan?
And for all that do you know who created teh taliban? USA…. -
On 08/15/07 4:25 PM, Ordacus said:
and Bush has a 32% approval, the lowest in the countries history, is still going down
He’s and his goonies are a bunch of Ivy league morons using our my money, for the crazy loony plans, I’m so glad he is leaving office soon, but I still call for impeach of that sucker! -
On 08/15/07 4:27 PM, andy said:
Um, the US did NOT create the Taliban. Supporting a movement against an invading Soviet army and CREATING something are completely different.
If it’s a war for oil, where’s all the oil? Get a real argument against the war in Iraq.
Why not focus on how poorly the war has been managed or how poorly our post Sadaam strategy has been instead. These are REAL problems. There are plenty of things to critique w/ the war in Iraq, you don’t really need to keep throwing out straw man arguements.
Meanwhile, vote to raise your taxes, socialize health care, and have a nation wide ban on trans fat, smoking, and state and local government.
Vote Democrate. Because our government isn’t big enough!
LP.ORG
-
On 08/15/07 4:52 PM, sammy said:
Privatized social security is the worst idea ever..oh, unless you’re upper middle class or higher.
People also can’t afford health care when they have a full time job making minimum wage and can barely feed their families or pay rent.
Sure, we need a little more personal responsibility and individual sacrifice, but regardless, some people are always gonna get a shitty deal, and saying “life’s not fair” is a selfish way to look at it.
The majority of Bush’s tax cuts have only been a big deal to people with lots of money to spare, and government spending has been on the increase. Social programs have been cut to make room for more military spending.
The national government does not really affect the lives of American people anymore. This is fine for people that are living a comfortable or luxurious life, but sucks for people that need help. -
On 08/15/07 4:54 PM, sammy said:
Oh, and I WISH there was a nationwide ban on smoking.
-
On 08/15/07 5:09 PM, andy said:
Socialism I mean, it’s beyond being an insult. It’s truely what it is.
Nationwide ban on smoking? Man! The government should NOT tell you or me or anyone else what we can and can’t put into our bodies. Come on. This boils my bubble more than anything. Why do people cry to the government every time something happens that you don’t like? “I don’t like smoking. Let’s get the government to ban it!” (hey wouldn’t it just be cheaper and like, less asinine to just not go to places that allow smoking? That’s crazy talk! Let’s dump more money into passing more laws! And while we’re at it, we’ll be cutting off a large source of income because the cigarrette tax won’t be needed anymore. Good idea! Then we can raise your taxes MORE to make up for the difference! Maybe we’ll just raise the gas tax some more…)
The Bush tax cuts-although I DON’T agree that they were only targeted to the “rich”,(I made like, $17,000.00 a year and still saw some money come back to me)I think it was a bad move. Again, because government spending went through the roof. So instead of adjusting spending to the flow of money coming in (budget 101), he increased spending and decreased money coming into the government. I get the idea of supply side economics. I also believe that Republicans are supposed to be Fiscal Conservatives…
Privatized social security is a great idea. What…you mean people should like, plan for retirement themselves instead of depending on Government handouts? “I’m old! Gimme gimme gimme!”(I love the Simpsons!).
Like I said, I made like, $17,000.00 a year working FULL TIME, lived on my own and still I paid for my healthcare out of my own pocket.
I’m not saying the current system is working. What I am saying is, increasing taxes and giving the Goverment MORE control is not the way to fix it. I already pay 40% of my income to the government. If they show me that they can effectively spend that money and manage the programs they currently control, only then would I consider handing over the health care system to them.
We both know that ain’t ever gonna happen though. Why do people think the government can do something better than they can do it themselves?
-
On 08/15/07 6:19 PM, Levi said:
Ordacus = The Artist General praising himself and learning how to type “good.”
-
On 08/16/07 4:36 AM, Howard said:
The government should ban stupidity, that way everyone can survive longer than they should, leaving plenty of time for all the idiots to breed.
Soon this herd will multiply and wash over the earth with the blood of all the Eloi, a naked plague, equipped with helmets, life jackets, seat-belts, a smoke free environment, polite drivers and world-wide hygiene.
Then, and only then, will there be peace.
Because everyone knows what is right and wrong - they’re just too humble to brag about it - and once all order is banished from the kingdom of the Morlocks, the Lord of the Flies will reign, and no one - even the most liberal or conservative - will ever have to think for themselves again.
And they all lived happily ever after.
Save us Al Gore and Fat Mike! -
On 08/16/07 9:30 AM, sammy said:
Well, it’s not that difficult to live on your own making $17,000 a year. It is, however, difficult to be married and have two kids and live on $17,000 a year.
-
On 08/16/07 9:34 AM, andy said:
Hey hey hey Howard! No literary references here! I already tried that with Jonathan Swift and got nowhere. Us simpletons just don’t get the true intellectual like Artist General.
-
On 08/16/07 12:00 PM, George said:
I just read where Artist General told JayD and andy to do dickups.
-
On 08/16/07 12:42 PM, Seth Werkheiser said:
Making $17,000 full time? Time to update your resume’.
-
On 08/16/07 12:53 PM, andy said:
That’s what I WAS making Seth. I’m not making THAT much more now, but it’s Lancaster Co.
Cost of living is cheaper.
-
On 08/16/07 1:12 PM, George said:
You should try some dickups.
-
On 08/16/07 1:13 PM, sammy said:
Speaking of Pearl Jam (haha), has anyone gotten the new live boxed set? It’s probably my favorite of the live CDs I’ve gotten so far.
-
On 08/16/07 1:32 PM, andy said:
I’m not even sure I know what a “dick up” is!
-
On 08/16/07 2:15 PM, Jay DiNitto said:
Dickups are what daddies do to mommies to make our friends.
-
On 08/16/07 2:22 PM, George said:
I thought a dickup was the same as a push-up, only instead of using your arms you use your dick. Artist General, correct me if I’m wrong.
-
On 08/16/07 2:27 PM, Levi said:
I like how George left out my name…does that mean I get out of them?
-
On 08/16/07 3:45 PM, Howard said:
DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY, MAGGOT!
-
On 08/16/07 3:47 PM, George said:
Sorry Levi, that wasn’t intentional. But you can still do some dick-ups, if you so desire.
-
On 08/16/07 4:42 PM, Levi said:
Thanks for the offer, but I politely decline
-
On 08/17/07 9:27 AM, andy said:
dick-ups. Somehow this has turned out to be one of the funniest things on Buzzgrinder this summer.
-
On 08/17/07 9:40 AM, Jay DiNitto said:
Imagine a line of recruits doing dickups at the behest of sarge, the black dudes having no problem pounding them out.
What a sight to behold.
-
On 08/18/07 12:13 PM, George said:
I’m still waiting for the Artist General to give us a true definition of the dick-up.
